In a message dated 14 Jun 96  21:21:12, Jay Bergstrom wrote:
 JB> Speaking of snowballs....and having nothing to do with the topic of
 JB> this list...
We'll have to get the moderator to take a look into this!
 JB> here in Canada, and i suspect the USA has this in place as well,
 JB> we're able to make purchases with our ATM bank card instead of with
 JB> cash or cheque.  Now major banks and businesses want to make this into a
Same hgere in Las Vegas and most places around the US - cash, cheque (Cnd 
spelling), "credit" cards, almost everything is OK and cash is becoming a 
rare commodity.
 JB> completely cash-less society, with all business transactions done
 JB> electronically.  Though it certainly has the virtue of speed and
 JB> simplicity, i believe that does not outweigh the corresponding moral
 JB> objections I have to electronic cash, objections which I believe are
The fact is that we are replacing "official" currency with nothing more than 
ledger entries on faceless bank ledgers (credit cards - which are nothing 
more than "fake" currecny - back by no money, gold or anything - just a 
bookeeping entry.
 JB> strong enough to motivate me to move to the backwoods of the
 JB> Northwest Territories if this ever happens.
There are quite a few people preparing for that when the civil revolt finally 
comes.
 JB> Electronic money invades my privacy.  When I make a purchase, the
 JB> bank knows what i bought and where & when i bought it.  This is
 JB> nobody's business but mine!  And what purpose is this information being 
I agree 100% - you are now capable of being "tracked", what you buy, where 
etc. One of the techniques used by the FBI is to track credit card 
transactions when they are looking for a "fugitive".
 JB>         Electronic money prevents me from choosing how much or how
 JB> little, and in what way, i will participate in society.  This is in
 JB> direct violation of my constitutional right to liberty.
Of course there are those who will say you can opt out of the system and use 
cash but the sad fact is in the US you can be stopped - have your money 
confiscated (traces of drugs or an "ossifers" good faith that the money is 
"tainted" (ie - drug money) - confiscated money with no charges filed.
 JB> And it has come to my attention that my home city, Guelph Ontario,
 JB> is going to be the test site for a cashless society, as a premble for
 JB> a national takeover scheduled for the turn of the century, if not
 JB> sooner.  I have no intention of participating in this experiment.  It 
Funny part is the Bilderberger's meeting supposedly discussed this very 
concept.
The Toronto-based NEW WORLD ORDER INTELLIGENCE UPDATE [Web 
address: http://www.inforamp.net/~jwhitley], which first 
alerted the Toronto media and wire services to this well-
concealed huddle of the super-rich and -influential 
publicity-shy elite, has stated repeatedly, based on 
sources we consider absolutely reliable, that we understand 
that one of their main topics of discussion has been a 
prearranged Unilateral Declaration of Independence by 
Quebec. For a variety of reasons, we expect this to occur 
between February and April of 1997. The ultimate aim of 
the slow and prolonged destruction of Canada as a viable 
national entity which would follow is a predetermined 
Continental Union of Canada and the U.S. by the year 2005. 
 JB> interesting experiment to see how long I'd be able to support myself
 JB> without joining the machine.  Why does society seem to want to put
 JB> its members into debt with the powers that be?  To secure our loyalty? 
Eventual take over and total domination of society - goods, guns, ammunition, 
food, tools etc will be the REAL money when this happens.
Anyone remember the movie where Russian troops invade a Midwest state and 
start landing at a kids grade school (via parachutes) etc?
I forget the name of this money but it dealt upon this very idea. KMids who 
took to the wilderness and who fought "guerilla" style with the occupation 
(opps - freedom fighters) forces.
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