From: "Geo." 

Didn't this whole thing start with knowing the difference between right and
wrong and someone saying that right and wrong change with the times? You
know, like smoking... 

Anyway, I just thought breast augmentation would be a better example than
circumcision (at least I found it more interesting that way )

Geo.

"Ellen K"  wrote in message
news:709d10.57a197{at}harborwebs.com...
> I'm not the one who started talking about "mutilation".  I posed a
hypothetical
> question as to if there were a society whose cultural norm was to torture
> children, would that make torturing children ok because a society exists
that
> thinks so.  This was related to my original attempt at a definition of
> something that would definitely be right or wrong, wrong being crossing
another
> person's boundary in a manner that harms them.
>
> At that point the "circumcision is mutilation" contingent changed the
entire
> topic by saying circumcision was torturing children.
>
> Breast augmentation doesn't fit into my original statement because the
person
> having the operation has requested it.  If the operation were performed
against
> the person's will and without her permission, then it would be wrong by my
> definition, because any surgery entails health risks and breast
augmentation
> provides no health benefits that justify other kinds of surgery by
outweighing
> the health risks.
>
> > From: "Geo." 
> > Ok good, so we seem to agree then that augmentation is not health
reasons,
> > so would that then qualify as a society approved mutilation?
> > Geo.
> > "Ellen K."  wrote in message
> > news:smtfpvs8patjp73q4jc61c5qiu03hkb2t5{at}4ax.com...
> >> Women who have a mastectomy may opt for breast reconstruction
afterwards
> >> for their psychological health.   I have a cousin who had a double
> >> mastectomy and opted for reconstruction.   Her sister OTOH commented
> >> that had she been in the situation she would have just left herself
> >> flat.
> >>
> >> Breast augmentation (and most plastic surgery) is ridiculous IMO.
It's
> >> a sad commentary on our society that the self-image of many women is
> >> completely tied to their appearance.
> >>
> >> I don't even color my hair, I've EARNED those gray ones.    :)
> >>
> >> On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 06:19:23 -0400, "Geo."
 wrote in
> >> message :
> >>
> >> >Well if you had one removed because of cancer?
> >> >
> >> >But that wasn't my point, it's an acceptable practice in
our society
yet
> >> >it's exactly the sort of thing you were discussing.
> >> >
> >> >Geo.
> >> >
> >> >"Ellen K." 
wrote in message
> >> >news:vgnepvk2cllhn0a66tsja6be8tp0a6qfcl{at}4ax.com...
> >> >> What medical benefit would breast augmentation have?
> >> >>
> >> >> On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 19:58:53 -0400, "Geo."
 wrote
in
> >> >> message :
> >> >>
> >> >> >How about breast augmentation?
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Geo. (gotta be more interesting than circumcision)
> >> >> >
> >> >> >"Ellen K."
 wrote in message
> >> >> >news:4jddpvsei7cu3noo0c2kr2cvaavnelf15p{at}4ax.com...
> >> >> >> Genital mutilation would mean removing
flesh and/or organs that
> > serve a
> >> >> >> function.   Circumcision doesn't qualify
since it only removes
skin
> >> >> >> which in fact in the uncircumcised can
cause medical problems
later
> >> >that
> >> >> >> end up requiring the procedure.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> An example of male genital mutilation would
be castration,
practiced
> > in
> >> >> >> cultures where a male guard is desired for
a harem and also
> > practiced
> >> >as
> >> >> >> recently and close by as the late 19th
century in Europe to
preserve
> >> >> >> boys' unchanged voices.   Check out music
sites, you can purchase
> >> >> >> recordings of castrati.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 15:39:08 +0100, Adam Flinton
> >> >> >>  wrote in message
> > :
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >John Beckett wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> I don't know what is more irritating ...
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Adam goading Ellen about genital
mutilation, or
> >> >> >> >> Rich goading Geo about spam.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Hint: Every tenth post should say
something useful or
> > interesting.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> John
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >What like this one?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >BTW I am goading Ellen on "Moral
Absolutism" of which genital
> >> >mutilation
> >> >> >> >is but one example where it fails.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Adam
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >
> >>

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