Stephen Frazier gave up a long homer to Otis Nixon and said:
 SF> If you're going to name everyone who DH'ed for a World Series team, tehn
 SF> you left off about a couple dozen, including Natioinal Leaguers.
Look, you're the one who said:
 SF>> many of your DHs have led THEIR teams to a World Series as has the
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 SF>> crime dog.
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I merely followed your criteria.
 SF> the series with the Braves, Phillies or both, but I don't see anything
 SF> that tells me he was the driving force behind his team getting there.
You're right, Stephen. All he did was hit .332, score 121 runs, drive in 111 
and steal 22 bases. All he did was hit .391 in the ALCS against the White Sox 
and .500 in the World Series against the Phillies. Oh, he wasn't in Toronto 
when the Jays won their first - Winfield was.
 SF> Same thing with Winfield and Murray. Their teams may have gone to the
 SF> show without them, but there is NO WAY the Braves get to the series
 SF> without the Crime Dog the past two years.
Pssst, Stephen, they did it TWICE when he was in San Diego.
 SF> Sure, but they need their gloves too, you know? Yo mean that Atlanta
 SF> reject Berroa hit 34 homers? Incredible! The guy hit TWO in a hundred
What a load. Berrora hit 2 in 136 at bats and saw limited duty for several 
years after that. He's improved steadily since he's become a REGULAR player.
 SF> You may be right, but the book I have shows the Babe did all this in his
 SF> first five years, which is the same time he was pitching.
Your book doesn't show the fact that he was being used more and more as an 
outfielder when he got most of his home runs and RBI.
 SF> They are all over the place, aren't they? All you have to do is look for
 SF> them.
No, you usually find a few but not a lot. As I said before, most of the 
*better* ones are around .160-.210. Quite a few are WELL below that.
 SF> EXPECT relatively lowered batting stats. I thought you would concede
 SF> that. You're a tough one, Mr Grinch:)
Really? So by your logic, Terry Forster should have been the greatest hitter 
in all of MLB because he hit so well with his *limited* at bats. Puh-leeze.
 SF> I don't get the point. We were talking about pictchers hitting grand
 SF> slams, not pitchers NOT hitting them.
(Eyes rolling).
 SF> Gee. You left out Newcombe and the Babe? T'sa matta you?
NO, I DIDN'T. YOU posted their stats (Ruth's were wrong) so why in the hell 
would I rehash what you had already posted?
 SF> And do these figs show Gibbie hit 24 homers? For 1300 at bats?
 EG>>             AB   H  HR    BA
 EG>> Gibson    1328 274  24  .206
Yep. I guess you just didn't look hard enough, did you? Maybe that's why 
you're having such a hard time finding stats for pitchers.
 SF> Tell me where they are. There are NONE on the AL to go by, and I'll
 SF> check and see if USA_Today Baseball has the records of pitchers (NL).
Check the WWW. Check TB. Check several other sources of information. You'd be 
surprised at the wealth of information that you can find when you go looking.
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