On (30 Oct 02) Steven Horn wrote to Michiel van der Vlist...

Hello Steven,


 SH> Michiel van der Vlist (2:280/5555) wrote to Frank Vest at 11:42 on 30
 SH> Oct 2002:

 SH>  MvdV> They create problems were there aren't. The
"Pvt" problem is a
 SH>  MvdV> non existent problem. It is politicians like Michael Grant that
 SH>  MvdV> refuse to see that "Pvt" is computerese and
"private" is
 SH> English  MvdV> and that they are not and need not be the same. This
 SH> problem does  MvdV> not exist. That does not mean there are no
 SH> problems at all, it
 SH>  MvdV> means that /this/ problem does not exist.

 SH>  MvdV> Technically there is nothing wrong with giving Pvt a different
 SH>  MvdV> meaning for POTS and IP. But people like Michael Grant don't
 SH> like  MvdV> that. They want pi to be equal to 3.

 SH> It is Policy 4.07 that states that PVT is private, not Michael Grant. 
 SH> As a regional independent, I can't have a private listing (see 2.1.9).
 SH>  Now you can amend P4 to state that PVT means this for POTS nodes and
 SH> something else for IP nodes but you know how difficult that this is. 
 SH> That amendment also would not deal with the possibility that an IP
 SH> node would want to be truly private.

 SH> The much more logical solution would be to have another flag or flags
 SH> that could be combined with -Unpublished- but that might well be hard
 SH> on legacy software.

The logical solution would be to create a Net in your Region that
includes your area and join it. You would be in a Net where PVT is
acceptable. Others in your Region with the same problem could join the
Net. P4 states :

"A network is a collection of nodes in a local geographic area,
usually defined by an area of convenient telephone calling.  Networks
coordinate their mail activity to decrease cost."

Now, define "local", "usually" and
"convenient". "Local" could be the
entire Region in cases of IP Nodes. "Usually" means not always.
"Convenient"?? Well, how convenient is it for an IP node to call any
other Node in the Region? Maybe it isn't "convenient" for an IP Node
to call a POTS Node, but that is not an argument here. In this
definition of a Net, "convenient" is referring to connection between
Nodes in the Net, not in the Region or in Fidonet in general.... AND,
of course, that word "usually" that covers much of the problem comes
into play again. :-)

Cost is not a factor either... just in case someone wants to nit pick.
:-))


Frank

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