HI Mark,

On Sun 2012-Sep-23 22:35, mark lewis (1:3634/12) wrote to Richard Webb:

 RW> One wonders what these doofuses would do if they understood
 RW> that:

 RW> 1.  YOu will be charged for damage for company equipment;

 RW> #2.  YOu can get fired for damaging company equipment
 RW> repeatedly.

ml> these two, at least, should be part of /every/ network usage policy
ml> that any and all companies have... period...

ml> "we" are continually pointing things like this out to those asking
ml> for technical means of blocking social activities in the firewall
ml> support forums i participate in... we keep telling them, over and
ml> over and over again, you cannot control social problems via
ml> technical means... there MUST be a policy in effect that gives the
ml> "company" legal rights to terminate the users' usage of the
ml> network... one way or another...

Uh huh!  I've learned this one over the years managing
people.

IN fact, anybody we hire directly, not union crew hired by
the venue, but hired by us gets to understand a few things
right off, first those two.

Then the next thing i emphasize is:

You will not patch in anybody else's equipment to ours
without clearing it with us.  I've known folks to make
bootleg tapes of acts we did sound for by hooking up an
illicit recorder, or, in the case of a remote truck like
ours, just patching into the outputs on the side of the
truck which would usually feed sound to a satellite uplink
truck or something similar.

Still, damage to company property, or the employer's was
always grounds for immediate termination where I come from.

ml> some of them fuss about being told that... until they are truly
ml> shown how it can affect their networks and company in a very
ml> detrimental way... first is cost analysis of the usage of p2p apps
ml> on their company network... second is when they are shown cost
ml> analysis of the usage of allowing streaming traffic like "radio" and
ml> "tv" on their company network... this is especially driven home when
ml> they are having to pay for the traffic flow... inbound or
ml> outbound... OMG! and you should see the stuff that comes back when
ml> the owner(s) of the company believe that they should have unfettered
ml> access and they get infested with "garbage" out there that they
ml> don't even know about or understand... 

This doesn't surprise me either.  I think you and I were
talking about this on the phone the other day when I
asserted that most folks with this networked broadband
systems have more capability than they're equipped to
understand.  THese folks think since they can do it at home
there's no reason why they can't at work.


ml> i really hate to educate the ignorant... not! well... yeah...
ml> maybe... no... not!!


YEah I do too, but it's gotta be done, and somebody's gotta
do it.  I get frustrated, but I'm quick to point out that
actions while on the job have consequences, and if you don't understand
those consequences, well, too bad for you.
There's a guy doesn't get hired by me anymore because
although he's got a good driving record and a cdl last time
he drove my audio truck he ran over the railroad ties beside my driveway
and damaged the drop box below the truck bed
which houses the electrical distro system.  He's called a
couple of times knowing I had a job upcoming wondering if
I'd hire him too.  .

Regards,
           Richard
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