On 3/07/2016 2:48 PM, Janis Kracht -> David Drummond wrote:

 >> [...] You haven't explained why we sysops need a chat
 >> area that only we can access.

 JK> It is obvious to me sinmly because sysops have problems and concerns
 JK> that users do not often have..

Worldwide problems and concerns?

When was the last time a sysop problem/concern was discussed in either of the
international F*_SYSOP echoes? What would happen if the users found out that
sysops have problems that they do not?

Perhaps those sorts of things be discussed in a "local" admin echo if the
masses at large shouldn't hear about them. After all problem BBS users in
Nowhere, USA or FreezeYaNutsOff, Canada are not of much interest to some MO
Fidonet nodes on the other side of the world.

 JK> Sharing experiences with other sysops in areas that preclude users who
 JK> may be troublesome protects everyone... Those problems sysops may have
 JK> that users don't might include:

 JK>     Sysops are responsible for all traffic coming from their
 JK>     system, users are generally not.

And if "non-sysops" heard about that?

 JK>     Users may want to have secure systems if they are smart, but no one
will
 JK>     hold them responsible for things like that if they are users. 
*Remember why
 JK>     sysops test all software uploaded to their systems, for goodness sake
:)

Nope - I cannot relate to that. Those are BBS issues - nothing to do with
international Fidonet chat echoes.

 JK>     Sure, a lot of users do use anti-virus tools to keep their systems
safe, but
 JK>     if they don't do this, a sysop rarely will let that software go
anywhere.
 JK>     That is why they are system operators...

And that relates to the two international chat echoes ... how?

 JK>     Sysops must maintain secure and up-to-date systems not only for their
own
 JK>     security's sake but also for the sake of their users. A sysop
generally lets
 JK>     anyone who wants to have access to their system, and servers..
ne'er-do-well
 JK>     users may, but most likely don't do this.

And that relates to the two international chat echoes ... how?

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Regards
David

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