On 01-07-09, BOB ACKLEY said to JOHN MASSEY:


BA>Replying to a message of John Massey to Bob Ackley:


JM> Bob Ackley -> Bob Klahn wrote:
BA>> Replying to a message of Bob Klahn to John Massey:


BK>>>  What proof do you have that Ross was not out of basic.


BA>> None, most likely.  I see multiple references to his '65 day military
BA>> career.' AF basic training lasted about 42 days when I went through
BA>> it.


JM> The info came from  Otto's DD214.


BA>Which is fine.  If he was in for 65 days then he finished basic training,
BA>to claim he did not is factually incorrect.


Otto stated that he either fell down, or was pushed down a set of steps in the
barracks, and broke his ankle. I find it hard to believe that anyone with a
broken ankle would continue basic training without a stay of several weeks in
the base hospital. Not even the Air Force would have someone marching along in
formation, or in close order drill (do they have such a thing in the Air
Force?), on a pair of crutches.


Otto further stated that the Air Force offered him a choice of continuing, or
taking a discharge. He also stated that the Air Force offered him a large sum
of money so he wouldn't sue over his injury.


He stated (now get this!) that he was


"....offered a lot of money to sign a form so that I wouldn't sue, ...."
....Otto Sauer


He also stated that


"....had I not been so homesick, and fed up with the bullshit I was going
through in the USAF,..." ....Otto Sauer


You have a total of 65 days *in* service.


Subtracting 42 days from 65 leaves 23 days. You need a few weeks in the base
hospital for the ankle to heal, several days to `process out'. No time to make
it to the tech school, which at the time he was in was at Lowrey in Colorado.


And........after dancing us around with this A-10 Warthog bullshit for a
couple of years, he comes up with *this* little exchange: Wilson was asking
about Wisconsin;



"Ever live anywhere else?" ........J Wilson


"Briefly in Texas." ........Otto Sauer


No mention of Colorado. Otto let the truth out (un-intentionally, no doubt!).


Now I'm going to tell you why all this crap got started in the first place.


Several years back......Otto belittled Richard Helm over Helm being in the
Marine Corp.


Otto isn't qualified to wipe Richard Helm's boots.


Otto made the claim that he had contacted a Marine recruiter in Sheboygan, had
given them Richard's name, the recruiter checked Richard's marine record
out and told Otto Richard had gotten a dishonorable discharge!


You and I both know that cannot possibly be true. That is a baldfaced lie. No
Marine ( or any other branch of military service) in a position to check
records, recruiter or otherwise, would even discuss such a thing with some
civilian who just walked in off the street and made such a request. (I know
this of personal knowledge, as I have talked to Marine and Navy recruiters on
that very subject since, and was told no such thing is possible!)


Up to that point, over the years of reading some of the things Otto posted
about his military service, I had gotten the impression he was retired from
the Air Force or something. I once asked him if he was retired from the Air
Force and he said no, he'd gotten injured and had gotten a medical discharge.


Then up came this crapola with Richard being dishonorably discharged.....and
in the course of that thread, Otto put his DD214 up on his web page, followed
by this little gem:


"I was in for TWO MONTHS!" .........Otto Sauer


Sauer is a liar and military wanna-be. You degrade yourself and your own
military service by defending such a person.



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