Hi Dale,

 DS>   Current P4 does not say where the proposal needs to come from.  If you
 DS>   (as an RC) wish to take what was produced by the working group and
 DS>   modify it (along with collaboration with the other RCs), then you may
 DS>   do so.

As I read policy the RC's can either put the new policy forward to the IC
for a Vote, or they can reject it. That is, the RC's only have 2 outputs,
not 3. 

 DS>   I hope that it is possible that the RCs can and will tell the IC that
 DS>   they wish to put this proposal up to a referendum vote -- or that they
 DS>   will say "modify it by ...." and put it up to a vote.  
If it is a
 DS>   consensus of the RCs that the document has merit except that the
 DS>   quorum requirements are wrong -- then they ought to change them.

The RC's cannot CHANGE the proposal (according to P4). They could REJECT
the proposal, but then they would have to go back to square 1 and define a
completely NEW proposal and put THAT to the IC.

 DS>   The need to change the procedure is because the procedure has
 DS>   effectively prevented any viable attempts at change until now.

Until now... so what as changed in P4 that suddenly allows itself to be
modified. The answer is NOTHING. Any change that now "allows it to
suddenly work", is OUTSIDE of existing Policy.


 PK> If the current proposal only included a modifcation of the 
 PK> section of Policy relating to the Fidonet 
 PK> newsletter/editor, then once a quorum was reached, it would 

 DS>    That was tried more than two years ago -- and was met with a roar of
 DS>    silence and lack of interest.

So the reason it failed is because those pushing for change were unable to
see the value of PROVING that the process could work first.


 PK> Instead its been complicated by at least one rather contentious 
 PK> section.

 DS>   Be specific please.

I have only given the proposed changes a cursory glance, however one area
stuck out like a sore thumb. Speaking only for myself, there is no way I
can see myself agreeing to a reduction in Quora below >50%, it is the
safety valve that Fidonet absolutely NEEDS.

Cheers.........pk.


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