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echo: 60s_70s_progrock
to: MICHAEL DOYLE
from: GEORGE ERDNER
date: 1997-04-15 00:02:00
subject: Phantom Prog

MD> GE>There's so little Prog-Rock out there in the first place, why does
MD> GE>everyone reject discussion of Prog-Rock songs by artists who don't 
imi
MD> GE>themselves to that genre exclusively, yet embrace discussion of 
rtists
MD> GE>who only do Prog-Rock but that no one has ever heard of (much less
MD> GE>heard)?
MD> Egad, I ask you one more time:  Who does this?  I know of no one that
MD> does this.  Do you think it's done in this echo?  I don't see any
MD> indication of such. Who are you arguing with?  DJ's?
Read the responses to any of my posts where I made mention of music that
(I believe) conforms to the parameters published in this echo regarding
what is and is not Prog-Rock. I confess that I don't keep records of who
says what. I barely glance at the "from" label on the posts in any echo
mail network conference. But I have yet to attempt to discuss a work of
music that (again, I believe) fits the definition of Prog-Rock that
doesn't generate replies that boil down to: "so-and-so (the artist)
isn't a Prog-Rock artist, therefore the song isn't Prog-Rock".
I can only think of one post I made, regarding one of the songs from
Jesus Christ, Superstar that fit the Prog-Rock genre's definition, that
got a response other than what I mentioned above.
So far, there are two definitions of Prog-Rock that I've read in here
that I can recall. The first said it was music created by Yes, Gentle
Giant, King Crimson, etc. It seems that who belongs in "etc" is a rather
arbitrary call. The other described the sound of the music, and singled
out the use of time signatures other than 4/4, unique chord patterns,
and classical and/or jazz influences.
Yet when I mention a song with a time signature other than 4/4, and/or
unique chord patterns, and/or clasical & jazz influences that seems to
me to fit the category of "etc", I'm told "that's not by a Prog-Rock
artist", or "sorry, but that's not Prog-Rock, either". Then I'm referred
to obscure recordings only available through obscure mail-order
companies or from tiny and obscure specialty record stores where you
have to have an appointment to get in.
So help me out here. Just what is it that makes a song a Prog-Rock song?
Is it the credentials of the artist? If a Prog-Rock artist records
anything, regardless of what it sounds like, is that Prog-Rock? Or is it
the sound of the composition? If it fits the parameters of what the
sound is supposed to be, then is it Prog-Rock, even if all the other
works in the artist's catalog aren't Prog-Rock? And if it is the sound
of the work, then just what are the parameters that define the sound? If
classical influences are what makes a song Prog-Rock, does that include
ALL types of classical music? Do vocals that have a Wagnerian grand
opera tonal quality and harmonies qualify as a "classical influence"?
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