-=> On 12-25-03  09:22,  Michael Grant <=-
 -=> spoke to Dale Shipp about Proposal <=-

 MG> In the initiation and ratification stages, each FidoNet coordinator at
 MG> and above Network Coordinator is entitled to one vote.  In the
 MG> referendum stage, only Regional Coordinators may vote.  Echomail
 MG> Coordinators can not vote. 
 MG> [...]

   That is a correct quote.  But it is not taking anything away.  It is
   adding.   Under current existing policy, only RCs  vote in the
   referendum stage (i.e. telling the IC to put a proposed new policy up
   for a general vote).   That is successful only if a majority of *ALL*
   RCs vote to do so.  Under the proposed new policy, this step is still
   with the RCs as it was before, except that the quorum number of RCs
   needed to bring the new policy forward for a general vote has been
   lowered.

   Our proposed new policy has not changed who votes at this stage.  It
   was and still is the RCs.

   We have added an initiation stage, which allows for all *Cs to
   participate by forcing a policy amendment to be considered by the
   RCs.  That is giving additional voice and power towards the grass
   roots.


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 MG> ----- 
 DS>    In both the current policy and in the new proposal, the policy change
 DS>    is voted on by *ALL* *Cs.  The new proposal adds a quorum requirement
 DS>    to this final vote.

 MG> Only on intiation and ratification. The referendum vote is 
 MG> left entirely to the RC's. Then we second-guess the RC's 
 MG> with a third "ratification" vote. It's a rediculous 
 MG> process, if you ask me. What was wrong with leaving the 
 MG> referendum as it was; with every *C voting, and with 
 MG> ratification being automatic with a majority vote?

   Because the referendum was *NOT* with every *C voting.  It was only
   the RCs who voted at that stage.  The group of all *Cs votes at the
   final ratification stage -- which is exactly what is true under
   current policy.

 
 MG> stage, then the referendum proceeds, and the RC's are the 
 MG> only ones who vote in the referendum stage. The referendum 
 MG> currently allows /every/ *C to vote, with the RC's only 

   Not true.  Only the RCs vote in the referendum stage under current
   policy.

 MG> initiating the process. It's been turned upside down, and
 MG> the end result is worse that what we have under current 
 MG> policy. If the referendum stage is not monkeyed about with, 

   It is not being monkeyed with -- except to make it easier for
   something to pass that stage and get to a final vote.

                        dale (at) min (dot) net
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