TR> Our biggest campaigns ever in my city were in minority or low income
 TR> areas, but your argument wouldn't work here. The citizens of these
 TR> areas begged, threatened to picket City
 RW> Really?  What if one of the people charged used it as a defence?
 RW> The only reason he was arrested was because he was a 
 RW> man in a  neighborhood. If he had been a  else> man in a  arrested.  And his lawyer had numbers to back him up.
You either don't read well, have a comprehension problem, or you jump over
areas that you don't like. The witnesses and citizen groups were from that
minority community. Being whatever color from whatever address didn't work
because the witnesses and citizen groups were the same color and from the
same neighborhood. If you were O.J. and wanted to spend 30 million dollars,
you might have an argument, but we didn't have any O.J.'s in these campaigns,
just plain street thugs and dope dealers. In any event, it didn't work in the
manner you suggest above. Between the citizens and the police, we made sure
that the bad guys had a bad day just about every time they stuck their head
out of some hole. Further, you were not here, you don't know anything about
the hundreds of cases made, and you really don't even have an opinion on the
matter. The campaigns were a raging success. If we had very many citizens per
block with an attitude like your's, the streets would still belong to the
street thugs and dope dealers in our campaign areas.
 RW> Remember just because members of a group want you to you still can't
 RW> violate that groups (or a member of that group) civil rights.
Did you hear me say anything about violating someone's civil rights? There
was no mention of this subject. Do you think that it is impossible for the
citizens and the police to succeed without violating someone's civil rights?
Good citizens and good cops working together are pretty hard to beat, and
they CAN win without violation of civil rights.
 TR> tactics, strategy, progress, complaints, etc. You will find programs
 TR> of this nature around the country that work when the citizens
 TR> decide to get involved.
 RW> Which would work just as well and probably even better if the police
 RW> just enforced the laws on the books and were allowed to use common
 RW> sense.  IOW, there is NO need to take the enforcement of the law
 RW> away from the cop and give it to the politicians.
Rich, you exchanged the word "cop" with "politician". The partnership
I've talked about which works is between citizens and cops, not citizens and
politicians. I'm certainly glad that your massive experience and background
has led you to some conclusion, even though it is the wrong conclusion. If
all of the citizens stuck their heads in the sand and refused to be part of
the solution, law enforcement would be crippled and decent people would have
to hide.
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Tom Rightmer - A Victims' Rights Advocate
... Today is not your lucky day. You won't have one this year
--- Blue Wave/DOS v2.30
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