From Newsgroup: alt.tv.star-trek.tos
From Address: epwise{at}yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Enterprise Was The Best. Trek. Ever.

Graeme  wrote in
news:4e3ad6bc-13cf-4f16-af9c-6542f37f3eb2{at}googlegroups.com: 

> On Wednesday, December 11, 2013 6:45:04 AM UTC-6, Dani...{at}teranews.com
> wrote: 
>> "fictional reality and real." No, no such thing as
fictional reality,
>> 
>> something is either fictional or real!!
>> 
>> Daniel
> 
> We went through this in the other thread, which you may not have seen.
>  Stories have their own internal consistency.  It's fictional, but the
> characters in the story don't know that, and act as though it's real. 
> For example, New York City.  Within the fictional reality of Batman,
> it's not called that, it's called Gotham City.  Does that mean that
> the writers of Batman are stupid, don't realize that the real name is
> New York City, and they just got that wrong?  No, they realize that in
> the real world it's called New York.  But in their fictional reality
> it's called Gotham. 
> 
> Wiseguy was completely unable to grasp that point. We had a set-to
> about Robert T. April, the first captain of the Enterprise, kinda
> sorta.  The FAQ is careful to distinguish the real from the fictional.
>  In the real world, he was the first captain.  Meaning that when
> Roddenberry came up with the idea for Star Trek, April was the first
> name that he assigned to the Captain.  Within Star Trek's fictional
> reality, it's more complicated.  For a long time, April had no
> official existence at all.  Then when he was mentioned in TAS, he
> became a part of Trek's fictional reality.  Then when TAS was
> decanonized, he fell back out of it.  In the real world, April is and
> always will be the first Enterprise Captain, but within Trek's
> fictional canon, he doesn't exist at all. 
> 

I understand perfectly.  You're the one who's such a fanboy who worries 
about crap like canon.  In the REAL world (which you have no concept of, 
being wrapped up in TOS) Capt. April was the first captain because it 
said so in the animated series.  End of story.  What Roddenberry or 
Paramount or YOU think is irrelevant. It happened back in 1974.  Deal 
with it. 
 
> This distinction completely went over Wiseguy's head, and ever since,
> he's insisted that I'm the one who doesn't realize that Trek is
> fictional, and no amount of evidence to the contrary will budge him. 
> Over the years I've learned that this is his way of conceding an
> argument. 
> 

How does something that I explained to you go over my head?  You're 
insane. I deal with facts.  If this upsets your little world of TOS, too 
bad.  Get a life. 
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