Stephen was waived by Sparky Anderson and then ranted:
 SF> Well, right now, neither Mitch nor Ryan are first basemen, and how many
 SF> of your DHs have led THEIR teams to a World Series as has the crime dog.
Paul Molitor, Eddie Murray, Dave Winfield....Need I go on?
 SF> think of. You can replace a bunch of NL first basemen with your DHs, but
 SF> Ryan Klesko hit 34 homers this year. Replace that.
Berroa, Jefferson, Delgado. Hmmm, why not put Baines and Canseco out there as 
well.:-)
 SF> In other wordsm the DH rule suits him just fine.
As it would suit McGriff.:-)
 SF> Then you should have been LISTENING to it as well. Pithcers from both
 SF> leagues have done quite well over the years before the AL banned them
 SF> from the plate.
Baloney. You might find a handful of pitchers who can hit but overall, far 
worse than any other position player.
 SF> Lemme see..Babe Ruth hit 49 HR, 130 RBI during the same period during
 SF> which his pitching record was 89-46. During that same period, he led the
 SF> league in more offensive categories than pitching.
Looks like you're mixing stats to suit your purposes. First off, he had 230 
RBI and for the years that he was EXCLUSIVELY a pitcher, he had 9 HR and 50 
RBI. Still, he was an exception and NOT the rule.
 SF> Don Newcombe has 15 homers and 108 RBI and was the primary PH when
 SF> not pitching.
Another exception.
 SF> Many other great hitting pitchers' records are lost to
 SF> most record books, probably to keep from embarrassing the prima
 SF> donnas who prance around today.
No, they're NOT. Record books CLEARLY show pitchers' batting records when 
that's all they did. Most of the "good" hitting pitchers have been 
consistently hitting in the .160-.210 range and rare is the pitcher that puts 
in 400+ ABs and makes it to the .271 that Newcombe hit.
 SF> See if you can find any records on Bob Gibson,
 SF> Vernon Law or Karl Spooner. Jim Palmer hit a grand slam during
 SF> the World Series. Tony Cloninger once hit TWO grand slams in the SAME
 SF> GAME (has Alberto done that yet?),
Babe Ruth didn't. God, I guess we'll have to throw his plaque out of the HOF 
because of that.:-^
            AB   H  HR    BA
Gibson    1328 274  24  .206
Law        883 191  11  .218
Cloninger  621 119  11  .192
Palmer     489  85   3  .174
Spooner     34   9   0  .265
Spooner? I'd HARDLY say that 34 at bats qualify him. If you're going to 
elevate these guys and demote pitchers today, why don't you look up the 
records of guys who are pitching today.
 SF> Most of these guys were doing their thing while I was listening or
 SF> watching, but it's hard to find hitting records, since pitchers only
 SF> pitch these days.
It's easy if you know where to look.
 SF> Tell me about it. What, exactly did he hit?
Todd hit .227.
 SF> gripe was that the Braves' manager went a long way to giving them the
 SF> opportunity to show it. Stephen
Look, he made some moves that didn't help but the Yankees WON the World 
Series.
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