On 2017 Aug 08 10:11:30, you wrote to Roger Nelson:

 RN>> I understand what you mean, but I think I would have been a natural
 RN>> at it even with a surname like mine. I do favor the sea, however,
 RN>> over flight.

 JD> Do you have Flight Simulator?  If you like flying, that is a great program

yeah, if you like games and unrealistic physics... if one is really into
flying, one should take a look at the FlightGear simulator... it is FOSS
and has been in development for 20(+) years... the original goal was much
better graphics than the other so-called simulators had... it has done a
good job but since it is FOSS and everyone is a volunteer of their time to
the development, some things still need more work...

right now the scenery is being worked on to try to come up with a way of
releasing updated portions as they are needed... the last time they ran the
scenery generation stuff, it took several months and any problems required
starting the generation all over again... this is because each tile needs
information from those ajoining it... at this time, the entire world
consists of 1818439 files in 50776 directories consuming a mere 88.6 GiB
(95134950761 bytes) of drive space ;) yeah, i just ran a properties check
on my scenery directory that contains the official scenery that's
distributed by FGFS... i happen to have the entire world scenery downloaded
but the simulator offers on-the-fly downloading of scenery so you can get
only that which you fly over... one can also have custom scenery for some
areas if they desire... my custom scenery directory is only 2GiB and
contains mostly override stuff for some airports... things like accurate
tower positions, ground nets for the AI craft to follow, and even
procedures files for the SIDs and STARs...

much is 3D stuff developed by numerous individuals and they're also working
on pulling data from the OSM (OpenStreet Maps) project and placing those in
the scene with accurate coordinates... unlike m$FS, you can actually see
true-to-life scenery when flying from, for example, Meigs to KLAX instead
of some artificial muck with no mountains or rivers... i even flew by
Niagra Falls, just a little while ago O:)

the craft? oh wow, the craft! there's currently two craft distributed with
the simulator... the first (aka main default) craft is a highly detailed
Cessna c172p with realistic startup, damage and capabilities... you can
definitely break the landing gear and wings on this bird! the second one is
a UFO which is used more for scenery object placement than flying but it is
fun to fly as it has some really futuristic physics... there's 526 craft
families available to download from the official FGFS distribution
hanger... of those, many, like the 737NG, have numerous variants... the
737NG directory shows four or five variants... some variants are simply
modified versions that have longer ranges needed for longer flights... some
are cargo craft... some are for a FO (First Officer) or CP (Co-Pilot) so
that two people can fly a craft together over the MP (Multi-Player)
network... there's fighter jets, some with an ability to fire weaponry, and
helicopters... there's also some ships that you can control for military
operations (eg: carrier ops) and SAR missions... one of the guys has been
working with the Erickson S64E AirCrane to get hoisting, carrying and
dropping of cargo boxes as well as fire fighting water loading and
dropping... there's even numerous gliders and lighter-than-air craft like
dirigibles and hot air balloons that one can fly... some of the guys also
have developed motorcycles and wheeled vehicles to drive around... there's
even a highly detailed and operational space shuttle! see the end of this
post for the complete list of craft directories avaiable from the FGAddon
Hanger...

you do need a decent machine with at least 8Gig of RAM... more is better,
though... i regularly see my FGFS using 10+Gig of RAM... you also need a
decent video card to get decent frame rates... 10FPS is ok but more is
definitely better... i started with an inexpensive $30US NVIDIA card and
stayed away from highly developed areas and craft... some craft, like the
Boeings are highly developed in their 3D rendering and can easily bring the
sim to a crawl just by loading them... i upgrades some months later to a
$60US NVIDIA card and jumped to ~30FPS for most things... i'm looking to
upgrade my video card again but i'm not sure to what extent i'm going to
go... my system is an AMD FX3850 8-core 4Ghz CPU... much better video cards
are as much or more than the CPU chip, itself... however, they may have 256
or more GPUs in them... the more GPUs, dedicated video memory and buss
speed you have, the better the rendering and frame rate... a lot of folks
are using laptops with dual integrated video cards... one for normal stuff
and the other is switched to for high graphical operations... Intel video
is ok, ATI or whatever it is called these days is better but we've seen the
best from NVIDIA's offerings...

i guess you can tell what i've been doing in the last year or two ;)

----->8 snip  FGFS craft list  8<-----
14bis                   21                      707
717                     727-230                 737-100
737-200                 737-300                 737NG
747                     747-200                 747-400
747-8i                  757-200                 767-300
777                     787-8                   A-10
A24-Viking              A-26-Invader            A300
A320-family             A340-600                A380
a4                      A-6E                    A6M2
Aermacchi-MB-339        Aerocar                 Aero-Commander
Aerostar-700            AG-14                   Aichi-D3A
Aichi-M6A               Airco-DH2               AirCrane
Airspeed-Horsa          airwaveXtreme150        Albatros-BII
Albatross               Allegro-2000            Alouette-II
Alouette-III            Alphajet                an2
AN-225                  an24b                   ANT-20
Antoinette              Antonov-An-12           Antonov-An-22
apache                  AR-234                  Arsenal-Delanne-10
Arsenal-VG33            Arup-S2                 as332
ASK13                   ASK21                   ASK21-MI
asw20                   ASW28                   ATC
ATC-ML                  ATI-Resolution          ATR-72-500
Avro-Arrow              AVRO-IV-Triplane        Avro-Lancaster
B-17                    b1900d                  B-1B
B-2                     B-24-Liberator          B-25
b26                     b29                     B-36D-Peacemaker
B-52F                   BAC-TSR2                BAe-125
Beagle-Pup              beaufighter             beech99
Beechcraft-C18S         Beechcraft-Staggerwing  Bell-222X
Bell-P-39               Bell-P-59               Bell-X1
Bell-XFL-1              Bernard-HV220           bf109
Bleriot-125             Bleriot-5190            Bleriot-SPAD-S.510
bleriot-XI              bluebird                bo105
bocian                  Boeing-247              Boeing314
Boeing-P26              Bombardier-415          Boomerang
Br-761                  Brabazon                Breda-B.Z.308
Breguet-XIX             BristolFreighter        Buccaneer
Bugatti                 Burnelli-CBY-3          BV-141
BV-170                  C130                    c150
C-160-Transall          c172                    c172r
c182                    c182rg                  c182s
C-2A                    c310                    c310u3a
C460                    C561                    C684
CAB-G.Y.30              Campini-Caproni-N1      CanberraBI8
Cap10B                  Cap10C                  Caproni-C22J
Caproni-Ca3             Caproni-Stipa           Caravelle
Carreidas               Caudron-G3              Caudron-G4
Cessna-208-Caravan      Cessna337               Cessna-421-Golden-Eagle
Cessna-L19              ch47                    ch53e
Cirrus-SR22             Citation                Citation-Bravo
CitationX               Coanda-1910             colditz
Commonwealth-Ca-12      ComperSwift             Concorde
Convair-XFY-1-Pogo      couzinet70              cri-cri
CRJ-200                 CRJ700-family           Curtiss-Jenny
Curtiss-Model-F         Curtiss-P40             D510
D520                    DaSH                    Dassault-Mystere-IV
Dauphin                 DC-10-30                dc2
dc6                     dc8-63                  dc8-73
Deperdussin             DerKleineUhu            Deuche
DG-101G                 DH-106                  DH-88
DH-89                   DH-91                   dhc1
dhc2                    dhc3                    dhc4
dhc6                    dhc8                    Diamond-Da40
Diamond-Da42            DO-228                  DO-26
DO-335                  Douglas-Dc3             Douglas-Dolphin
DO-X                    DR400                   DR400-dauphin
Dragonfly               Dromader                Dunne-D.5
E-2C                    E3B                     eastbourne_mono
ec130                   ec135                   Embraer-ERJ-145
ercoupe                 Etrich-Taube            eurofighter
EV55                    extra500                F-106-dart
F-117                   f-14b                   F-15
f16                     f18                     F-35B
F4U                     F6F-Hellcat             F7F-Tigercat
F80C                    F-86                    F-8E-Crusader
F9F-Panther             fa223                   Fairchild-C119
Fairchild-Metroliner    Fairey-Gannet           Falcon-50
Farman-III              Farman-IV               Fiat-G55
Fiat-G91                FK9MK2                  fkdr1
flash2a                 Focke-Wulf-F19-ente     Focke-Wulf-Ta.154
fokker100               fokker50                Fokker-Eindecker-EIII
Fokker-G1               Fokker-S-11             Fokker-Spin
followme                Ford-Trimotor           Fouga-Magister
fw190                   Fw200                   Fw61
G-164                   Gee-Bee                 Gloster-Gladiator
Gloster-Meteor          Gloster-Whittle         Gotha-G-V
Grob-Astir              Grob-G109               Grob-G115
Grob-Gf200              Grumman-American-AA1    H1-Racer
H-21C-Shawnee           H4-Hercules             Handley-Page-Halifax
Hansajet                harrier                 Harrier-GR1
Harrier-GR3             Hawker-Siddeley-Nimrod  He-111
He162                   Heinkel-He-111          Heinkel-He-111Z
Heinkel-He-177          Heinkel-He-178          Heinkel-He-280
Heston-Type5            HM-14                   Hornet
Horsa                   Horten-Ho-IX            HS-P-75
Hughes-XF11             Hunter                  HUP-Retriever
Hurricane               Icaro_MRX13             IL-2
IL-76                   j22                     J3Cub
j7w                     JA37                    Jaguar
JAS39-Gripen            jeep                    jetman
Jodel-D140              JT-5B                   ju52
Ju-87                   Ju-88                   Junkers-F13
Junkers-G.38ce          Junkers-Ju-390          Junkers-W34
K5Y1                    K-7                     Ka-50
Ka6                     Katana                  Kawasaki-Ki-61-Hien
KC135                   Ki-84                   KM
kodiak                  L-1011-500              l39
La-5                    Lancair-235             LATE-29
Late-631                Leduc-022               Lightning
Lionceau                Lockheed1049            Lockheed1049h
Lockheed-Martin-FA-22A-Raptor Lockheed-NF104    Lockheed-NF104A
Lockheed-P38            Lockheed-SR71           Lockheed-U-2S
Lockheed-Vega           Long-EZ                 Lynx-WG13
M-4-Bison-A             Macchi-Castoldi-MC72    Macchi-M33
marchetti               Martin-Baker-MB5        MB326
MD11                    MD-11                   MD-312-Flamant
me163                   ME-209-V1               ME-262
ME-262HGIII             me323                   Messerschmitt-BF110
Messerschmitt-Libelle   Messerschmitt-P1101     MFI-9
MiG-15                  MiG-21bis               Mig-29
Mil-Mi-12               Mil-Mi-24               mirage2000
Mirage-2000             Mirage_F1               MirageIII
MirageIV                mosquito                MPCarrier
MQ-9                    MRJ                     MS-406
M-XE                    Nakajima-B5N            Nieuport-11
Noratlas                Nord-1405-Gerfaut-II    Nord-2502
Nordstern               North-American-T28D-Trojan North-American-T6-Texan
Northrop-P61            Northrop-xb35           NTPS
ogel                    OH-1                    OH-58D
ornithopter             OV10                    P130UL
P180                    P-38-Lightning          P47
p51d                    pa22                    pa24-250
pa28-161                PaperAirplane           Parachutist
paraglider              payen-pa100             payen-pa350cd
PBY-Catalina            PC-12                   PC-21
PC-6                    pc7                     PC-9M
Percival-Mew-Gull       Piaggio-P166            Piaggio-Pegna-Pc-7
Pioneer-200             Piper-PA-18             Piper-PA-28
Piper-PA-32             pittss1c                Polikarpov-I16
Pond-Racer              Potez-630               Pterodactyl
Pterosaur               pushback                Q400
Quickie                 R22                     R44
RAF-S-E-5               rah-66                  rallye-MS893
Rascal                  RV-6A                   Ryan-Navion
Ryan-PT22               Ryan-SoSL               S-51-Dragonfly
SaabJ35F                santa                   Saunders-Roe-Princess
seahawk                 SeaVixen                SenecaII
sf25b                   SG38                    sgs233
Short_Empire            Short-Stirling          shuttle
SIAI-Marchetti-S.205R   SIAI-Marchetti-SF.260   Sikorsky-76C
Sikorsky-S38            Sikorsky-S58            Skyranger
Sky-sportster           Skyvan                  SM-55
sm79                    snowplow                Socata-ST10
sopwithCamel            SpaceShip-One           SpaceShuttle
SPAD-VII                Spitfire                spitfireIX
SR71-BlackBird          Stampe-SV4              Starship
Stearman                Stieglitz               Stiletto
Storch                  Su-25                   SU-37
Submarine_Scout         Super-Etendard          Super-Frelon
SuperGuepard912         superguppySGT           Supermarine-S.6B
Superwal                T37                     T38
T-4                     T-50                    TBM-Avenger
Tecnam-P2006T           Tecnam-P2010            Tecnam-P92
Tigre                   TU-114                  tu134
Tu-134                  tu154                   tu154b
Tu-22-Blinder           TU-95                   Tu-SB2bis-M103
UH-1                    UH-60                   V22-Osprey
Velocity-XL             Vickers-Vanguard        Vickers-Vimy
victor                  VMX22-Osprey            Vostok-1
vulcanb2                Westland-Whirlwind      wrightFlyer1903
X15                     x24b                    XB-70
XP-67                   Yak-130                 Yak-18T
Yak-23                  yak3                    Yak-36
YardStik                YF-23                   YS-11
ZF_Navy_free_balloon    ZivkoEdge               Zlin-50lx
ZLT-NT
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oops... you got me triggered :LOL:

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