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echo: philos
to: DAVID MARTORANA
from: DAY BROWN
date: 1998-04-20 18:20:00
subject: Achievable Ethics

 DM>   Yes "you think" but that is not enough. Large segments of "nature's 
 DM>   children"  have need of emotionally warm anchors (not exactly 
 DM> overflowing from stoicism). 
I think that's a misunderstanding of the Stoic philosophers Dave. 
They warned that parentage was a considerable responsibility, and 
that most folks were not up to doing a good job.  None of this be 
fruitful and multiply crap.  They were not interested in having a 
lot more citizens, but having a lot better ones. 
 
They actually were *not* unemotional; rather, they were aware the 
emotions affect thinking, and to be cognizant of that, and to act 
in the right way regardless; a child needs a warm anchor, and the 
Stoic parent would be expected to provide it.  Anger and love are 
both teaching tools, and both were to be employed. 
 
They advised staying out of politics; success brings sychophancy, 
and failure brings frustration.  When in enemy hands, one is told 
to not try to withstand torture, but tell them whatever you think 
it is they want to hear at once.  Having a reputation for this is 
a good way to prevent torture in the first place.  Stoic? 
 
 DM>      My question- Does the pomegranate (seeds) hold some special 
 DM>   mythical or plant life meaning beyond the simple (food of the 
 DM>   dead). I know that hidden meanings are often draped in symbology. 
My sources and memory don't suggest much either Dave.  Generally, 
I see mythic attributes pre-dating literate times, and inasmuch 
as the Archaic Greeks came from the North, where the pomegranate 
did not grow, I suspect that the original mythic meaning was not 
for the pomegranate, but some similar item. 
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