* Original To  : all, 2:500/131 in NET_DEV
 * Original From: John Tserkezis, 3:712/610
 * Original Date: 17-Apr-97

 > begin
 Hi everyone, this message came from paul, he was asking for assistance on
some of the technical issues.
 Any replies should be send directly to his internet address
(avon{at}rosebay.matra.com.au).  If you don't have internet access, you can reply
either here or netmail and I'll get the message through.

 For those who do not already know, Paul doesn't intend on coming back to fido,
although had sent a message a few hours prior to excommunication, it didn't
seem to make it out.

 PE> To anyone interested in helping set up and/or join the following
 PE> network based on the internet standards, could you please contact Paul
 PE> Edwards at avon{at}rosebay.matra.com.au.  I need to get my newsgroups via
 PE> my normal dial-up account (ISP requested) instead of UUCP.  I have
 PE> fetchmail working to receive mail, and sendmail working except that it
 PE> is sending messages out with the wrong address
 PE> (avon{at}scorpio.rosebay.matra.com.au).  I have "inn"
installed, but when
 PE> I run "inews" it says it cannot connect to  news server
 PE> rosebay.matra.com.au.  I am running on a Linux box. 
 PE> When I have all that set up, I then need to provide UUCP to people who
 PE> dial me.  Since they mostly use MSDOS/OS2 I need simple setups to allow
 PE> them to obtain and read their mail, plus of course I need it set up at
 PE> my end. 
 PE> This is my first foray into the internet, and it is as overwhelming as
 PE> fidonet was when I set it up, hence this request for technical
 PE> support. Anyway, here is the proposed network...

 PE> Plan for new network
 PE> --------------------

 PE> To merge the techniques of fidonet, into the mould of the internet
 PE> technology. 
 PE> Facts:

 PE> 1. Individual sysops who wish to exchange mail, almost always use FTN
 PE> technology, probably because it's the only thing set up by default to
 PE> do exactly the task of consenting nodes exchanging mail.

 PE> 2. The internet is vastly more popular, and thus the use of the
 PE> protocols  more widespread.

 PE> Objectives:

 PE> 1. Consenting nodes should be able to exchange mail with anyone they
 PE> want, without any restrictions (outside of that country's laws),
 PE> without requiring  approval from anyone.

 PE> 2. To use the internet technology (RFC-822 etc), in the hope that
 PE> software can be reused and relevant, plus it's better defined.

 PE> 3. No node has any power, except the freedom to not supply mail to
 PE> another node.  Any node may choose to create their own "master list of
 PE> known nodes", by whatever mechanism they choose.

 PE> 4. Nodes are not required to be up at a particular time of the day, or
 PE> have a telephone contact (normal telephone or ISDN etc), but may choose
 PE> to have such contacts.

 PE> 5. The ability to get mail directly from the internet (via an ISP),
 PE> rather than purely relying on mail from other sysops, so that there
 PE> will be plenty of traffic, even with only a few participating sysops.

 PE> 6. Being purely a matter of consenting nodes exchanging mail, any node
 PE> may choose to charge for mail (partly or fully), without restriction.


John Tserkezis, Sydney, Oz. Fidonet: 3:712/610  Internet: jt{at}suburbia.com.au

... ARRRRRGGGHHH!!!! ... Tension breaker, had to be done.
 > end



In my humble opinion this excommunication should *never* have happened.


Paul Edwards may be controversial and provocative in his writing, he has
also been a very stimulating and hardworking person for fidonet full of new
and inspiring ideas.

Loosing somebody like him for fidonet is a loss for everybody in fidonet.

As a tribute to him, I am writing this in msged/sq, a project he has been
carrying on in the spirit of fidonet, providing good software for multiple
platforms for free.

This is really a sad day for fidonet, and damned be the lowlifes that did
this to fidonet!

Making these kind of excommunications possible, and creating an
irreversable process, must be a sign on the wall for this network!

 Lodewijk.

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