On 08-12-96 (22:09) David Noon wrote to Harry Bush

DN>The problem you are seeing is that IBM will not usually "slipstream"
  >maintenance into a program product. Once a base level has been set the
  >base product is kept there and any subsequent maintenance must be
  >applied by the customer. This has been a practice for many years; we
  >old mainframe systems programmers know "install buckets"
all too well.

Maybe in the VM world, but in the MVS world program products routinely
arrive with lots of PTFs integrated into the base. I take it that you've
never been lucky  enough to have the bucket tell you not to install
one of the integrated fixes? The refreshes cut down on the size of the
Cum tape when everything goes well, but sometimes their a royal pain in
the asset!

DN>As you can see, this is a "corporate customer" mentality in
IBM, not a
  >"retail product" one. MVS customers accept it, but OS/2 customers
  >mostly find it strange.

Actually, it's the oddball products that don't slipstream, at least in
the MVS world.


     Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
     Systems Programmer & JOAT
     Atid/2
     Team OS/2
     Team PL/I
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