PE>> Off the Simtel CDROM?  I tried ftp.clarkson.edu, but failed to
PE>> connect. It was supposedly in the pub/uupc directory.

BL> What's a Simtel? Is it anything like a Dem-Tel or a K-Tel?

I don't know actually, everyone just knows it as "The Simtel
CDROM", which has (mysteriously) every single useful MSDOS program on
it.

BL> 500K? Of source? Bloody hell! What's it do, besides Telix and zip?
BL> Can if cook a baked dinner?

How big do you think the Telix + zip source code come to in total?

BL> You really are priceless, Paul. You get some heap of crap software, 
BL> spend a month trying to get it work with only partial success, and 
BL> then you *recommend* it! ROFL!!

:-)  Actually, you are not correct.  I haven't even USED UUPC, which is what
I was recommending for you.  *I* am using Taylor-UUCP, which is a *unix*
program.  I was recommending UUPC as a *DOS* program.

Actually, I was more recommending it because that's what someone else told
me to use (when I was using OS/2).

BL> From the look of your files list, it couldn't be much worse, whatever 
BL> it was! It's only 40K, btw, and it seems to do the Unix zmodem protocol
BL> with several variations. I donlt suppose you know what one *you* are 
BL> using? It does things called y, g, and other Uni-wanker crap.

Yes, Taylor UUCP uses g-protocol (which I think is standard), but it ALSO
has Zmodem plus a slew of others.

PE>> UUPC from, if no-one here has it.  In the meantime, here's a list
PE>> of files I found from my file lists...

BL> What am I supoposed to do with a 20K files list, Paul? All I want to

Well, you said that SPUG didn't have what you were looking for, but I think
it is more likely that you didn't get the filename right.  I posted some
examples of correct filenames.

BL> do is set up a system to get mail from you. Do I have to download
BL> *all* that shit, or what? Which 500K do I download, and where do I

You only need one of them, one that has MSDOS executables in it.  I don't
know which one that is, but I'll try getting it off the internet site Jeff
mentioned next time I'm on it.

BL> download it from? I am only *slightly* fascinated to know you have all
BL> that stuff somewhere on your hard disc.

I've only got the file lists, they are from other systems, which may not
even allow me to FREQ (or still exist).  They were more examples of correct
filenames you should have looked for on SPUG.

BL>> or some other BBS system. There are all sorts of thingies that convert
BL>> Fido messages (or BlueWave) to UUCP format for PCBoard and Wildcat, but 
BL>> nothing for UUPC.

PE>> UUPC is just one implementation of UUCP.  Just like Tinypoint,
PE>> Binkley etc are all implementations of FTS-6.

BL> I realise that. Is UUPC complete or do I need other shit besides. I

UUPC replaces tinypoint.  I don't know what replaces Bluewave.  SLRN or something.

BL> tell you what, Paul... you're talking me right out of this! All I want 
BL> is an equivalent Telix and PkZip. I can write my own batch file and 
BL> UCP2QWK.

Yeah, I know, that's what I was after the RFC for.  However, the RFC for
UUCP was NOT THE THING I WAS AFTER!!!

BL>> Do I have to  set up a full BBS, messagebase and all

PE>> No, not a full BBS, but yes, you will need a messagebase (but
PE>> that's no different from your QWK messagebase).

BL> Wanna bet? I don't have a messagebase of *any* kind, and I don't
BL> want one, either. I only read 'em, I don't keep them for posterity.

Your QWK has some sort of messagebase, that allows you to read messages.
You can delete the "messagebase" after every reading, if that's
what you want to do.

BL> Let me summarise what I understand so far...

BL> 1.  You are using UUPC.

No, that is DOS + OS/2 only (I think).  I use Taylor-UUCP.

BL> 2.  UUPC has is own archiver designed for Unix (not zip)

I think that if you try hard enough, you can use zip etc, but the only
thing that can easily be done is use the "compress" format.

BL> 3.  UUPC has its own comm protocol (not zmodem)

I believe G-protocol is standard with UUCP, but many others can be used instead.

BL> Thus... to communicate with *you*:

BL> 1.  I have to use that same comms protocol. Is this called UCCICO? 

Yes, I guess that's the proper name for it.

BL> If it is, then the problem is solved... I can use FX-uucico for
BL> my comms program... IF you can tell me what UUCICO protocol you
BL> are using.

Take your pick.  G-protocol should get the ball rolling.

BL> 2.  I have to use the same archiver. If drosebay.z is the format you
BL> will send me, 

Yes, I am of the understanding that my system will be sending exactly the
same format (of course this is really what I'm after confirmation of).  I
wasn't dead sure exactly what I was sending to you, all I knew was that
there was something queued up in a directory for you.

BL> then the problem is solved and I can send the same thing back to you.

Great!  Please bear in mind that this is all new to me, too.

BL> 3.  What remains is a way to dial you up and log on, and the format of
BL> whatever I send you to tell you whether I want a download or an
BL> upload or freq. Does UUCICO do that? 

It should do all that.  BFN.  Paul.
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