-=> Quoting Ed Grinnell to Stephen Frazier <=-
 EG> Stephen Frazier gave up a long homer to Otis Nixon and said:
 SF> on his butt. And why do you confine it to just first basemen? Secondly,
 SF> which NL first baseman would you replace with one of your DHs?
 EG> Fred McGriff for starters. Hell, I'll even add Mitchell in LF
 EG> (Especially since Cincinnati felt that they could easily replace him).
 EG> Ryan Klesko is another. That's for starters.
Well, right now, neither Mitch nor Ryan are first basemen, and how many of 
your DHs have led THEIR teams to a World Series as has the crime dog. Now, I 
give Fielder credit for it this year, but he's the only one I can think of. 
You can replace a bunch of NL first basemen with your DHs, but Ryan Klesko 
hit 
34 homers this year. Replace that.
 EG> Why don't some of the DHs play first? Well, in the case of a player
 EG> like Frank Thomas, his pride cometh before the team's benefit. They
 EG> could replace him with a better fielder but his pride won't let him
 EG> admit that the team would be better off.
In other wordsm the DH rule suits him just fine.
 SF> True, but pitchers have to be multi-dimensional in the AL. And if you
 SF> say there is less or no strategy in the NL, then I think I can see you
 SF> don't really know baseball.
 EG> I've been watching baseball LONG before there was a DH and even back
 EG> then I felt that pitchers were useless as batters.
Then you should have been LISTENING to it as well. Pithcers from both leagues 
have done quite well over the years before the AL banned them from the plate.
 SF> Punting indeed! Do you know how many pitchers in the NL have been
 SF> used as pinch hitters?
 EG> I don't have the numbers from this year but I will soon. As for 1995,
 EG> 13 NL pitchers were used as pinch hitters and none of the usual
 EG> suspects (Glavine, Smoltz, Maddux, etc.) were used. For all that
 EG> effort, they went 2 of 11.
And how many AL piotchers were used?
 SF> Do you know how many NL pitchers have more homers and RBI than some
 SF> position players in EITHER league?
 EG> Gee, I'm sure that ANY pitcher that hits one home run or drives in one
 EG> run can find a player that they've *beaten* in the other league. For
 EG> the most part, they're useless. If they weren't, they wouldn't be
 EG> asked to bunt as much as they are.
Lemme see..Babe Ruth hit 49 HR, 130 RBI during the same period during which 
his pitching record was 89-46. During that same period, he led the league in 
more offensive categories than pitching.
Don Newcombe has 15 homers and 108 RBI and was the primary PH when not 
pitching. Many other great hitting pitchers' records are lost to most record 
books, probably to keep from embarrassing the prima donnas who prance around 
today. See if you can find any records on Bob Gibson, Vernon Law or Karl      
  
Spooner. 
Jim Palmer hit a grand slam during the World Series. Tony Cloninger once hit 
TWO grand slams in the SAME GAME (has Alberto done that yet?),
Most of these guys were doing their thing while I was listening or watching, 
but it's hard to find hitting records, since pitchers only pitch these days.
SF>  You are obviously thinking of what happens when your average
 SF> AMERICAN league pitcher strides to the plate with a bat in his
 SF> hand:)
 EG> Funny, Todd Stottlemyre, who had all of 1 career AB in the AL, was one
 EG> of the "better" hitting pitchers when he moved over to the NL last
 EG> year.
Tell me about it. What, exactly did he hit?
 SF> It's a test of the two teams on the field, which is all we have right
 SF> now.
 EG> Puhleeze. Why is it "all we have right now" and the World Series
 EG> isn't?
But it is! If I indicated that the Yankees are not th ebest team right now, I 
apologize and take it back. They whipped the Braves in such a fashion that 
there is no way anyone could say they are NOT. My only gripe was that the 
Braves' manager went a long way to giving them the opportunity to show it.
Stephen
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