CH> But it's not selective for the sake of being selective.  Usually
 CH> in law enforcement zt is invoked for an area that has serious
 CH> problems  and needs cleaning up.
 RW> Ah, but tell that to the civil rights people who point out that all
 RW> your ZT areas are minority or low income areas.
TR> Our biggest campaigns ever in my city were in minority or
TR> low income areas, but your argument wouldn't work here. The
TR> citizens of these areas begged, threatened to picket City
Really?  What if one of the people charged used it as a
defence?  The only reason he was arrested was because
he was a  man in a  neighborhood.
If he had been a  man in a  neighborhood he would not have been arrested. 
And his lawyer had numbers to back him up.
You use that argument in front of the right judge and
every  man arrested in your little ZT purge
would be back on the streets.  They would now feel even
safer to do their thing because the judge has told the
cops that they can't be arrested.
Remember just because members of a group want you to
you still can't violate that groups (or a member of
that group) civil rights.
TR> simple: the rich white neighborhoods don't have these
TR> problems because they get all of the police services. The
But the stats would not back that up in most areas.
The area with the higher crime rate has the higher
number of police in it.  The difference in the crime
rates has very little, if anything, to do with city
services. 
Using the amount of service logic: Very few rich
neighborhoods have drug rehab/methadone clinics in them
yet they have a low number of junkies on the streets.
Therefore the way to get rid of the junkies is to get
rid of the rehab clinics.
TR> tactics, strategy, progress, complaints, etc. You will find
TR> programs of this nature around the country that work when
TR> the citizens decide to get involved.
Which would work just as well and probably even better
if the police just enforced the laws on the books and
were allowed to use common sense.  IOW, there is NO
need to take the enforcement of the law away from the
cop and give it to the politicians.
How many junkies are let go by a beat cop because the
junkie has info that can lead to a bigger fish?  If
that junkie knew that he was going to get arrested no
matter what he'd just keep his mouth shut and the big
fish would keep swimming.
                      Remember:  Freedom isn't Free!
--- timEd-B11
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