27 May 06 17:07, Philip Lozier wrote to Roy Witt:


 RW>>>> Without the 2nd amendment, the rest would have been gone a long
 RW>>>> time ago.

 PL>>> Even with it, some are still vanishing.

 RW>> The BORs and it's amendment count is the same as it was right after
 RW>> the
 RW>> last amendment. None have vanished.

 PL> They're still on paper, but not being followed as they should.

An example?

 PL>>>>> They can -try- to -disarm- this citizen... they'll
need a SWAT
 PL>>>>> team though.

 RW>>>> BATFE says otherwise...don't be surprised if they wake you in the
 RW>>>> middle
 RW>>>> of the night.

 PL>>> This -is- a concern.  All my eggs are not in one basket though.

 RW>> There was an instance of that in San Diego a few years ago. The
 RW>> resident
 RW>> used a firearm and defended his family and home, only to be shot
 RW>> down by
 RW>> BATF agents. Fortunately, he lived thorugh it and, since the BATF
 RW>> was
 RW>> going by a tip from an informer who got the wrong house, he's now a
 RW>> very
 RW>> rich man.

 PL> Very fortunate for him.  WHat was the extent of his injuries.

He was shot in the upper torso...other than that, I have no idea what his
injuries were, but he did survive.


 PL>>> This isn't a -big- city, but the cops here can definately be out of
 PL>>> control sometimes.

 RW>> Ya know, I see an awful lot of 'police action' that gets reported
 RW>> daily in
 RW>> the local rag, but I've never seen anyone pulled over...odd that.

 PL> Oh, I see it around here.  Getting pulled over in this town can raise
 PL> some definate fears in the person being pulled over, even if only for
 PL> a minor infraction.  It seems NOTHING is minor to the SPD anymore and
 PL> all stops seem like a combination of a felony stop and an
 PL> interrigation by the KGB.

Hmmmm. It seems like those who're afraid must not know their rights.

 PL> My uncle, retired NYPD, tells me that even 20 years ago that the
 PL> "reputation" of the SPD was out there, and they weren't
respected by
 PL> members of other law enforcement agancies AT ALL.  It has since
 PL> gotten worse.  Only a couple of short years ago there was talk about
 PL> actually disbanding ENTIRELY the SPD and pulling the State Police in
 PL> while a new force was rebuilt from scratch.  That seems to have all
 PL> been swept under the rug lately though.

Only in New York...Sounds like the Bufford T. Justice files.


Roy
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