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   You continue to play your word games trying to claim when you desire =
that linux is this minimal kernel that truth be told would then be =
useless and at other times claim that linux is inclusive of all the = stuff
the redhat and others ship so that you can claim that it is in = some way
functional.  Go ahead.  You look like an hypocrite.

   Then again, maybe you desire to be consistent.  If so, make sure you =
don't attribute to linux anything that you will later want to claim is =
distinct so that "linux" doesn't get tarnished.  This will be a
change = for you.

   I'm still waiting to read your reply on the other claims you were =
making regarding responsiblity of supporting one's products.  I think = you
were trying to claim that vendors like redhat and sun do not have =
responsibility to fix security problems in code they release when the =
copyright is owned by someone else.  Are you reversing yourself now that =
you are taking the tact that linux is some narrow thing that is just a =
tiny part of products that bear its name such as redhat linux 9?

Rich

  "Adam Flinton"  wrote in message =
news:40313885{at}w3.nls.net...
  Rich wrote:
  >    Except in this example it was redhat that released them.  Clearly =

  > redhat would not be responsible if it was not their product that was =

  > vulnerable.
  > =20

  Your example. The orginal comment by Jeff was:

  "There are some who would probably kill me for this.. but I'd really =
be
  interested in seeing what would happen if eeye turned some of that =
talent
  loose on Linux.

  Either we'd get a heck of a lot of fixes...or the Linux-heads would =
have
  some strong evidence to back up the claim that Linux is more secure =
than
  Windows. "

  You then diverted onto Red Hat.

  The people who released them were the authors of GAIM & mutt.

  Adam

  > Rich
  > =20
  >=20
  >     "Adam Flinton"      > wrote in message
  >     news:402d35e8$1{at}w3.nls.net...
  >     Rich wrote:
  >=20
  >      >    You can take that list and make them vulnerabilities that =
are the
  >      > responsibility of the vendor that releases them.
  >      >=20
  >=20
  >     Like say the mutt & GAIM people?
  >=20
  >=20
  >      >    Are you really this dumb?  Is this lack of responsiblity =
the
  >     policy
  >      > of, Sun, your employer?
  >      >
  >=20
  >     I lower myself to your level so you don't get confused by =
difficult
  >     things like logic.
  >=20
  >=20
  >=20
  >     Adam
  >=20
  >      > Rich
  >      >=20
  >      >
  >      >     "Adam Flinton"      
  >      >     > wrote in message
  >      >     news:4091e8.4d3c47{at}harborwebs.com...
  >      >      > From: "Geo."      >
  >      >      > his laptop is a piece of hardware not an OS =
distribution.
  >      >
  >      >     Nope it's a distrib coz I got my laptop out of it's box &
  >     turned it on &
  >      >     everything was already there & loaded. I have yet to open =
any
  >     of the
  >      >     cd'es that
  >      >     came with the Dell. It's a hard disk distrib. A CD is a =
piece of
  >      >     hardware.
  >      >
  >      >     In fact I seem to remember (but I don't have the docs to
  >     hand) that
  >      >     some parts
  >      >     of the "dell XP distie" come with a set of
"if you change
  >     this stuff
  >      >     you're on
  >      >     your own" warnings in the docs.
  >      >
  >      >     As such if Rich's list from RH is valid then it's valid =
to
  >     run up a
  >      >     list of all
  >      >     the vendors who pre-load Windows onto machines & then to =
run up a
  >      >     list of the
  >      >     apps they also pre-load & thus to count all those apps as =
part of
  >      >     Windows.
  >      >
  >      >     Adam
  >      >
  >      >
  >      >      > Geo.
  >      >      > "Adam Flinton"      
  >      >     > wrote in message
  >      >      > news:402c82c1{at}w3.nls.net...
  >      >      >> Geo. wrote:
  >      >      >>
  >      >      >> > if it's part of the distribution it counts.
  >      >      >> >
  >      >      >>
  >      >      >> Thnking about it.....my borther's SOny laptop came =
with
  >     XP & a whole
  >      >      >> host of apps rwady installed...so I take it that all
  >     those apps that
  >      >      >> came installed with the box (e.g. WinDVD
etc) are all =
thus
  >      >     Windows vulns
  >      >      >> if a problem is found?
  >      >      >>
  >      >      >>
  >      >      >>
  >      >      >>
  >      >      >> Adam
  >      >      >>

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   You
continue to play your =
word games=20
trying to claim when you desire that linux is this minimal kernel that = truth be=20
told would then be useless and at other times claim that linux is = inclusive of=20
all the stuff the redhat and others ship so that you can claim that it = is in=20
some way functional.  Go ahead.  You look like an=20
hypocrite.
 
   Then
again, maybe you =
desire to be=20
consistent.  If so, make sure you don't attribute to linux
anything = that=20
you will later want to claim is distinct so that "linux" doesn't
get=20 tarnished.  This will be a change for
you.
 
   I'm still
waiting to read =
your reply=20
on the other claims you were making regarding responsiblity of = supporting one's=20
products.  I think you were trying to claim that vendors like =
redhat and=20
sun do not have responsibility to fix security problems in code they = release=20
when the copyright is owned by someone else.  Are you reversing =
yourself=20
now that you are taking the tact that linux is some narrow thing that is = just a=20
tiny part of products that bear its name such as redhat linux =
9?
 
Rich
 

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>=20
  wrote in message news:40313885{at}w3.nls.net...Ri=
ch=20
  wrote:>    Except in this
example it was redhat =
that=20
  released them.  Clearly > redhat would not be
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  Linux.Either we'd get a heck of a lot of fixes...or the =
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  wrote in message>     news:402d35e8$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
>    =20
  Rich wrote:>
>     =20
  >    You can take that list and make them =
vulnerabilities=20
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  >     I lower myself
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