RB> DB> I wasn't directing the responsibility issue specifically at you, 
Tom. 
 RB> DB>  Its just that every time I hear that word, its usually coming from  
 RB> DB> someone attempting toforce their values upon someone else.  
 RB> DB> Responsibility, to me, is a two way street. The (our) system demands 
 
 RB> I find that most people who preach about personal responsibility and 
 RB> self-reliance are the same ones who went to college on dad's bill, never 
 RB> held a job, etc etc.
BR> Once again, a glittering generality, devoid of anything
BR> resembling statistical  validity or even a sophomoric
BR> attempt at statistical support. 
If you step back a little and look you will see that he
never even tried to say that.  He clearly states it as
a personal observation/opinion by starting out with "I
find that. . ."
I agree with you.  I find that the people who push
personal responsibility and self-reliance are people
who have callouses on their hands.  The ones who talk
about public responsibility and helping the
disadvantaged are the ones with callouses on their
a$$es.
BTW, that is nothing more then a personal
observation/opinion.  
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--- timEd-B11
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