In article , lsenders{at}hotmail.com
says...
>

[snip]
>Just because you cannot fathom it doesn't negate it.

The same applies to your own position, Loren.


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>Gary, any body can quote scripture.  The problem is, can you present a
>case that the correct interpretation of this verse supports your
>thesis?

You have the same problem, Loren, just from the opposite side.

>  You presume that wanting or desiring a thing is, for God, the
>equalent to bringing it to fruition.    Though you accuse me of such,
>it is you who fail in his distinctions.

You BOTH fail. For you, Loren, are sweeping under the rug the crucial failure of
your own system of hermeneutics: by claiming that God desires the salvation of
all men, but that only a few are saved at all, and that only by predestination,
you have introduced weakness into the omnipotent: for He wills what He does not
achieve. How do you describe what Paul means here without introducing weakness
into the omnipotent?


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