gpatton{at}bayou.com wrote:

> >
>
> OK. But I like "angels which kept not their first estate" rather than
> "fallen".  As "fallen" has several different meanings.

Estrangement?  Alienation?  Are these better suited to you?

> One might say a
> tree has fallen and would not mean the tree sinned.

No but it would be essentially -dead.  It is alienated from its root.

>  It may have not
> kept its first estate when it fell but that does not mean it sinned.
A
> rock tumbles down a hill without sinning.

None of which share "personhood."

> Rain falls without sinning.

Rom 8:20

> Adam also could have tripped and fell, and "fallen" before either he
or
> Eve ate the fruit. "Fallen" could mean too many things. Better to use
> precise language.
>
Theologically, most everyone here knows at least the general definition
for "fallen."  It's an acceptable word.

Also, in point of fact, The Fall  did take place prior to eating.
Eating was merely the external exhibition of an already reoriented of
the inclination of the will.

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