-> Also I get a lot of strange looks when I tell people
-> raising kids is just like training an animal.  You have
-> to teach right and correct them when they screw up when
-> they are young or when they get older they will be out
-> of control.  If I raised my dogs the way some people
-> raise their kids I'd be knee deep in doggie poo and
-> covered with bites.  Then again if people raised their
-> kids like I train my dogs (and raise my kids) the world
-> would be a much better place.  IMNSHO of course ;).
DeB> It may be even as you say, sir.  Your children would be
DeB> well-disciplined--and likely the methods used would fester
DeB> subconsciously and reveal itself as so much inner resentment
Nope.
DeB> later on. Discipline is wonderful for both children and
DeB> pets...and so is an abundance of overt love and affection. 
DeB> Far too often, the two are not thought mixable.
Which is the same way you have to treat animals.  You
can beat kids or animals in to submission and they will
do what you want.  But only when you are there, when
you aren't they revert back. 
Back when I was in high school the parents of a guy I
knew had a champion sheltie bitch.  They were always
telling me about how well trained she was BUT when they
left her alone she would do all kinds of things. 
Now I would hear them telling people about how well
their kid was doing in school and what a good kid he
was, never in any trouble.  You guessed it, when ever
he was out he was out of control.  He'd drive too fast,
he'd drink, he'd do drugs, he'd screw almost anything
that would let him (and at least one who didn't want to
let him which lead to a rape charge). 
He finally self destructed.  It hit an overpass support
doing over 100 mph.  His family called it an accident
but I have always wondered if it was suicide.  No skid
marks, very little booze and drugs in his system and he
had given some of his 'good' things away all of which,
to me, point more to suicide then an accident.
                      Remember:  Freedom isn't Free!
--- timEd-B11
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