"And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which
standeth for the children of thy people: ... " (Daniel 12:1)


*** "Michael" maybe not "Christ", he might be a great angle. (?)


"And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also
having a sharp sickle. ... Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the
clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe. "
(Rev. 14:17-18)


" ... and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since
there was a nation even to that same time: ... " (Daniel 12:1)


"And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a
great earthquake; ... " (Rev. 6:12-14)


"And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a
great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so
mighty an earthquake, and so great. 19: And the great city was divided
into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon
came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of
the fierceness of his wrath. " (Rev. 16:18-19)


"I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn
spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed,
and given to the burning flame. 12: As concerning the rest of the
beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were
prolonged for a season and time." (Daniel 7:11-12)


"And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the
vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of
God." (Rev. 14:19)


"For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the
beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22: And
except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved:
but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. " (Matthew
24:21-22)


"And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which
are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? 14: And I said unto
him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came
out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them
white in the blood of the Lamb." (Rev. 7:13-14)


* This tribulation is for all nations and peoples, not only for jews.
There is no such a tribulation right now, people are living
(difficulties always exist)
.


*** "Great tribulation" could not mean long period of time, but it
could refer to scale of the disaster which is mentioned in "Seal 6".
(?)


*** So, maybe "season and time = 450 days" in Daniel 7:12 is literal
days. (450 years are not short time) (?)


" ... and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon
became as blood; 13: And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even
as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty
wind. 14: And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled
together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their
places." (Rev. 6:12-15)


"And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about
the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of
the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great. (Rev. 16:21)


"Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be
darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall
fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30:
And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then
shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of
man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory."
(Matthew  24:29-30)


"I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came
with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they
brought him near before him." (Daniel 7:13)


" ... and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that
shall be found written in the book. 2: And many of them that sleep in
the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some
to shame and everlasting contempt. 3: And they that be wise shall shine
as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to
righteousness as the stars for ever and ever." (Daniel 12:1-3)


"And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto
them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of
Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast,
neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads,
or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand
years. 5: But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand
years were finished. This is the first resurrection." (Rev. 20:4-5)


---------------------


Any question, idea or suggestion : jacksmith1979{at}yahoo.com


Regards,


J. Smith


http://www.geocities.com/jacksmith1979/bible/bibleprophecy.htm





--------------


I do not think we can say these two events are the same :
"For then shall be great tribulation" - Matt. 24:21
"great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people...led away
captive into all nations" - Luke 21:23-24 KJV

--

"great tribulation" - Matt. 24:21 is parallel to "...there shall be a
time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to
that same time" Daniel 12:1

--- First, it is not said that this tribulation is for whom ?
"And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which
are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? 14: And I said unto
him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came
out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them
white in the blood of the Lamb." (Rev. 7:13-14)

* This tribulation is for all nations and peoples, not only for jews.
There is no such a tribulation right now, people are living
(difficulties always exist)

--- Second , it seems it will happen at the "End", because after that
tribulation "mellenium" start.
" ... and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that
shall be found written in the book. 2: And many of them that sleep in
the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some
to shame and everlasting contempt." (Daniel 12:1-2)

"Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be
darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall
fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30:
And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then
shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of
man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory."



"And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about
the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of
the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great. (Rev. 16:21)
---
þ RIMEGate(tm)/RGXPost V1.14 at BBSWORLD * Info{at}bbsworld.com

---
 * RIMEGate(tm)V10.2áÿ* RelayNet(tm) NNTP Gateway * MoonDog BBS
 * RgateImp.MoonDog.BBS at 1/10/05 8:09:34 PM