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date: 2005-01-10 20:09:00
subject: Re: Top Ten Reasons to Re

Nasir Malik wrote:
> 1. Mark 12:29 Jesus said "Here, O Israel: The Lord our God is one
> Lord."
> [This confirms that Jesus preached to worship One and Only God, not
> trinity.
>
He was a rabbi!  Of course He taught the shema!  But the nouns of Deut
6:4 are plural!!!!!!!!  And "one" is echad, not yachid! 
"One" as in
one bunch of grapes.  Not one as in absolute singularity.
>
> 2. John 20:17 Jesus said I ascend to my God and your God.
> [Jesus has a God according to him; we know that God can't have a
God?]
>
Heb. 1:8 But of the Son He says, " Thy throne, O God, is forever and
ever, And the righteous scepter is the scepter of His kingdom.
Heb. 1:9 " Thou hast loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Thy God, hath anointed Thee With the oil of gladness
above Thy companions."
Heb. 1:10 And, " Thou, Lord, in the beginning didst lay the foundation
of the earth, And the heavens are the works of Thy hands;
>
> 3. John 8:28 Jesus said, "I do nothing of myself"
> [Can a God be this dependant?]
>
Phil. 2:6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard
equality with God a thing to be grasped,
Phil. 2:7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and
being made in the likeness of men.
>
> 4. John 14:28
> 5. Luke 23:46
> 6. Matthew 24:36
> 7. John 5:30

These are all answered when considering the kenosis of Phil 2
>
> 8. John 5:32 Jesus told his followers that they have never seen GOD
at
> anytime nor ever heard his voice.
> [Or Jesus was lying again here, if he was God?]
>
John 14:9 Jesus *said to him, "Have I been so long with you, and yet
you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the
Father; how do you say, 'Show us the Father'?

So either John's witness is wacky or your presumed application of Jn 5
is wrong.  Hmmm.  Who should I believe?
>
> 9. Luke 5:16 Jesus prays to God.
> [Funny, if Jesus was God, then why he is praying to God? Since when
> and how a God has a God?]
>
Ever pray to the judge not to make you pay your speeding ticket.
Another presumption -that prayer cannot involve equals.
>
> 10. Matthew 26:39 Jesus fell on his face and prayed to his GOD like
> Muslims do.
> [How would you explain this from the very Bible?]
>
Again, explained by the kenosis and by Heb 10 application of Ps 40.
Prophet and Priest.
>
> John 17:3 and the Only True God!
>
> And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true
God,
> and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
>
John 5:24 "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and
believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into
judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
John 6:40 "For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds
the Son and believes in Him, may have eternal life; and I Myself will
raise him up on the last day."
Rom. 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is
eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
1 John 1:2 and The Life (Jn 14:6) was manifested, and we have seen and
bear witness and proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the
Father and was manifested to us--
1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God has come, and has given us
understanding, in order that we might know Him who is true, and we are
in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and
eternal life.

If you knew Greek, you would understand the grammatical link between
"His Son Jesus Christ" as being "the true God and eternal life."

> Deuteronomy 4:2! Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract
> from it, but keep the commands of the Lord your God that I give you.
> [Also see: Deut 12:32; Josh 1:7; Prov 30:6; Rev 22:18-19; Jer 26:2;
> Deut 10:12-13 & Ecc 12:13]
>
> So, how can Christians' add (27) twenty-seven forged books of New
> Testament (34 books of Catholics) to create their man-god, while
> disregarding the above explicit verses?
>
2 Pet. 3:16 as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these
things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught
and unstable distort, as they do also the_rest_of_the_Scriptures, to
their own destruction.

Peter understood the Pauline epistles to be equal to the OT scriptures!

Also, you give no accounting for the 39 OT books, let alone your own
Koran.  And how do you account for the Koran itself being much larger
now than that of Mohammed in 694?


> [ http://www.islam-is-the-only-solution.com/top-ten.htm ]

Acts 13:46 And Paul and Barnabas spoke out boldly and said, "It was
necessary that the word of God should be spoken to you first; since you
repudiate it, and judge yourselves unworthy of eternal life, behold, we
are turning to the Gentiles.

I would never pretend to know Islam (as you pretend to know what
Christianity teaches) nor be so presumptious to use your Koran to
testify against Islam.  But I do know the Christian scriptures well
enough to know you do not faithfully represent them.
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