Hello Richard!

19 May 04 22:26, you wrote to All:

Well Said Richard and thank you.

 RP> {at}VIA: QEcho 2.66a
 RP> {at}MSGID: 5:7106/22 ac211c0
 RP> It is about time that some rationality occurs.

 RP> Ward, as IC, has regularly offended many of us, but from my point of
 RP> view, he has more than a few times offended me. I, somewhat
 RP> (un)reasonably, take offense at this. He has more than once threatened
 RP> to close zone 5. If he does, which, as he is no longer IC, he can no
 RP> longer do, I would in no circumstances join zone 2 as long as Ward is
 RP> its ZC. He also went the incorrect route when an offensive message was
 RP> posted in the Fn_Sysop echo, demanding a ZCC vote on what to do about
 RP> the message. True, the message was extremely offense, especially to
 RP> certaian communities, and perhaps was even illegal in certain
 RP> countries, but if Ward was offended by that message, he should himself
 RP> have followwed the correct pocedure, and if he wasn't, then he should
 RP> have advised the complainant to follow that same procedure. I pointed
 RP> out in that same ZCC forum, that the first step for anyone who is
 RP> offended by a message in an echo, is to report to the responsible
 RP> moderator, and then see what action is taken. Ward actually thanked me
 RP> for that response, and I did not need to vote on that matter, and it
 RP> died a natural death.

 RP> I was pre-warned by my predessor as ZC about Ward, but I decided to
 RP> let his actions since my ascension to the ZC post speak for
 RP> themselves, and I have been here as ZC since 1998. I do not want the
 RP> IC post even if pressed into the position. I prefer to lurk more than
 RP> write. However, each week, I do a post in the Ham echo.

 RP> Ward's actions have spoken, and I have threatened a PC against him.
 RP> When I joined Fidonet in 1989 the edict was 'do not annoy, and do not
 RP> be annoyed'. Many posters in many echos totally disregard such a
 RP> preposterous idea, but that idea works for me. Many are beginning to
 RP> seriously annoy me, especially Ward and Alex.

 RP> On the issue of the lastest saga in ZCC, I have the following to say:-
 RP> Ward accused Bin Li (Z6C) and myself of being puppets, but no clue was
 RP> given as to who the puppeteer was. He did this on several occasions,
 RP> and I objected to the idea. Renato (Z4C) took up the same baton, and I
 RP> called him Ward's puppet, whereupon he, Renato, turned on me and
 RP> voted, much to my surprise, against Ward. However, by that time, there
 RP> were already 4 votes against Ward, thus the outcome of the vote was
 RP> not affected, and would not have been affected even if he had cast his
 RP> vote otherwise.

 RP> In life, in most fields of endeavour, the most vociferous people are
 RP> those that have objections to what is happening, and this is usually
 RP> good. The people with the most reason are usually quiet and speak up
 RP> when the vociferous ones have annoyed them sufficiently to raise their
 RP> ire to unacceptable levels, and this is precisely what is happening
 RP> here in the IC echo, in ZCC and in Fn_Sysop.

 RP> In the Vlist - Witt case, the appeals process went on way too far, the
 RP> merits of the case had long been lost, and thus my vote was to sustain
 RP> the original decision, simply because the incident was raised from a
 RP> net issue, to a regional issue, to a zonal issue and finally to an
 RP> international one. I do not like Vlist's attitude, simply as a direct
 RP> result of that escalated PC. I do not like Ward's attitude for similar
 RP> and other reasons. ( Is Vlist going to try to take over from Ward?? ).


 RP> I also maintain that the *C structure should be a co-ordinating
 RP> structure, the posts are called co-ordinators, and not a command
 RP> structure, as the posts are not command posts as in a military
 RP> structure. I object very strongly to the autocratic (someone said
 RP> royal) manner that has been exhibited by Ward. If the zone 2 sysops
 RP> are happy with him, so be it, that is a zone 2 matter, if they are
 RP> not, it is still a zone 2 matter, but as IC it was a matter to be
 RP> dealt with at th ZCC level as defined by policy, and it was
 RP> appropriately dealt with. The ZCC has not and can not strip Ward of
 RP> his ZC role, it has simply removed him as IC.

 RP> Be peacefull and reassuring,
 RP> Richard.
 RP> N7106C
 RP> Z5C
 RP> peerrk{at}safrica.com


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