From: "Rich" 

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   More nonsense from you.  I find it particularly humorous that you =
accuse me of deception for using redhad linux 9, a product that calls =
itself linux as an example of linux when you repeatedly attempt to claim =
a sony computer sold in bundle with Windows and other sony supplied =
software is simply Windows.

   I see you still refuse to commit or back down to your silly claim =
that redhat, sun, and other vendors have no responsibility to support = the
code they ship in their products if they do not own the copyright to = this
code.

Rich

  "Adam Flinton"  wrote in message =
news:4031515f$1{at}w3.nls.net...
  Rich wrote:

  >    You continue to play your word games trying to claim when you =
desire=20
  > that linux is this minimal kernel that truth be told would then be=20
  > useless and at other times claim that linux is inclusive of all the=20
  > stuff the redhat and others ship so that you can claim that it is in =

  > some way functional.  Go ahead.  You look like an hypocrite.
  > =20

  Bollox. You're the one engaged in sophistry. You are seeking to =
compare=20
  "Windows" with "Red Hat Linux" where an accurate
comparison would be =
either

  A) Windows vs Linux or
  B) A Windows distribution (e.g. including WinDVD & many other=20
  "utilities" added by the distributor e.g. Sony or Dell against Red HAt =

  Linux.

  Which is it?


  >    Then again, maybe you desire to be consistent.  If so, make sure =
you=20
  > don't attribute to linux anything that you will later want to claim =
is=20
  > distinct so that "linux" doesn't get tarnished.  This will be a =
change=20
  > for you.
  >

  GAIM is available for Window & Linux. So is Mozilla, so if openOffice=20
  etc.etc.etc. If you want to witter on about how a hole in GAIM is a =
hole=20
  in GAIm then fine. If not then a hole in GAIM is a hole in linux,=20
  Windows, BSD etc.etc.


  >    I'm still waiting to read your reply on the other claims you were =

  > making regarding responsiblity of supporting one's products.

  Why? Is MS going to take responsibility for Oracle on Windows? GAIM is =

  the product of the poeple who write GAIM just as Mozilla is a product =
of=20
  the mozilla people. Is MS going to take responsibility for Office=20
  running on crossover office on Linux?

  >  I think=20
  > you were trying to claim that vendors like redhat and sun do not =
have=20
  > responsibility to fix security problems in code they release when =
the=20
  > copyright is owned by someone else.  Are you reversing yourself now =
that=20
  > you are taking the tact that linux is some narrow thing that is just =
a=20
  > tiny part of products that bear its name such as redhat linux 9?
  >

  You're the one who is diverting from Windows vs Linux to Windows vs "a =

  distribution of your choice". As such it is entirely valid for me to=20
  pick windows distributions such as the Dell one or the Sony on & ask =
"Is=20
  MS going to take responsibility for WinDVD or any other program some=20
  distributor wishes to bundle with windows"?

  Like I said Turbo Linux bundles DB2. Are you thus claiming that DB2 is =
a=20
    Turbolinux product? Suse bundles the Sun JVM. Is Suse thus suddenly=20
  the owner of the Sun JVM?

  Dell & HP bundle the Sun JVM on Windows so when are you going to take=20
  responsibility for the Sun JVM?




  Adam

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   More
nonsense from =
you.  I find=20
it particularly humorous that you accuse me of deception for using = redhad linux=20
9, a product that calls itself linux as an example of linux when you = repeatedly=20
attempt to claim a sony computer sold in bundle with Windows and other = sony=20
supplied software is simply Windows.
 
   I see you
still refuse to =
commit or=20
back down to your silly claim that redhat, sun, and other vendors have = no=20
responsibility to support the code they ship in their products if
= they do=20
not own the copyright to this code.
 
Rich
 

  "Adam Flinton" <adam_NO_{at}_SPAM_softfab.com=">mailto:adam_NO_{at}_SPAM_softfab.com">adam_NO_{at}_SPAM_softfab.com=
>=20
  wrote in message news:4031515f$1{at}w3.nls.net...Rich=20
  wrote:>    You
continue to play your word =
games=20
  trying to claim when you desire > that linux is this minimal =
kernel=20
  that truth be told would then be > useless and at other times =
claim=20
  that linux is inclusive of all the > stuff the redhat and =
others ship=20
  so that you can claim that it is in > some way =
functional.  Go=20
  ahead.  You look like an hypocrite.> 
Bollox. =
You're=20
  the one engaged in sophistry. You are seeking to compare
"Windows" =
with=20
  "Red Hat Linux" where an accurate comparison would be
eitherA) =
Windows=20
  vs Linux orB) A Windows distribution (e.g. including WinDVD & =
many=20
  other "utilities" added by the distributor e.g. Sony or Dell =
against Red=20
  HAt Linux.Which is
it?>    =
Then=20
  again, maybe you desire to be consistent.  If so, make sure you =
>=20
  don't attribute to linux anything that you will later want to claim is =

  > distinct so that "linux" doesn't get
tarnished.  This =
will be a=20
  change > for
you.>GAIM is available for Window =
&=20
  Linux. So is Mozilla, so if openOffice etc.etc.etc. If you want to =
witter=20
  on about how a hole in GAIM is a hole in GAIm then fine. If not =
then a=20
  hole in GAIM is a hole in linux, Windows, BSD=20
 
etc.etc.>   
I'm still waiting to read =
your=20
  reply on the other claims you were > making regarding =
responsiblity of=20
  supporting one's products.Why? Is MS going to take =
responsibility for=20
  Oracle on Windows? GAIM is the product of the poeple who write =
GAIM just=20
  as Mozilla is a product of the mozilla people. Is MS going to take =

  responsibility for Office running on crossover office on=20
  Linux?>  I think >
you were trying to claim =
that=20
  vendors like redhat and sun do not have > responsibility to fix =

  security problems in code they release when the > copyright is =
owned by=20
  someone else.  Are you reversing yourself now that
> you =
are=20
  taking the tact that linux is some narrow thing that is just a =
> tiny=20
  part of products that bear its name such as redhat linux=20
  9?>You're the one who is diverting
from Windows vs =
Linux to=20
  Windows vs "a distribution of your choice". As such
it is entirely =
valid=20
  for me to pick windows distributions such as the Dell one or the =
Sony on=20
  & ask "Is MS going to take responsibility for
WinDVD or any =
other=20
  program some distributor wishes to bundle with =
windows"?Like I=20
  said Turbo Linux bundles DB2. Are you thus claiming that DB2 is a =
 =20
  Turbolinux product? Suse bundles the Sun JVM. Is Suse thus suddenly =
the=20
  owner of the Sun JVM?Dell & HP bundle the Sun JVM on =
Windows so=20
  when are you going to take responsibility for the Sun=20
 
JVM?Adam

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