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echo: educator
to: CARL BOGARDUS
from: MICHAEL MARTINEZ
date: 1996-07-29 03:11:00
subject: Re: Ivan Illich

 -=> Quoting Carl Bogardus to Michael Martinez <=-
 CB> I agree that everyone learns best when they are interested in the
 CB> subject, but I also think people should be able to learn "stuff" that
 CB> they aren't particulary interested in either. 
 CB> Imagine this:
 CB> 1. A student pilot that wants to learn to fly straight and level only
 CB> 2. A driver's ed student that doesn't want to learn to parallel park
 CB> 3. A student cook that doesn't clean up the dishes.
 CB> 4. A student that wants to just "kick back" (as one of my seventh
 CB> graders told me) I think his parents follow this book. Kids always take
 CB> the easy way out - often that means avoiding learning anything. There
 CB> is no way a teacher could handle a class of kids wanting to learn 30
 CB> things at once. (if they wanted to learn anything at all) 
The big problem with what you're saying is that you fail to realize
that natural selection in Illich's environment will automatically weed out
the student pilots who aren't cut out for it, from those who are good at it.
Or the surgeons.  Or whoever.  The other thing is, your neighborhood will
automatically know who the bad "self-taught" surgeons are and who
the good ones are, so very quickly the bad one will have a dwindling
practice.  When you ask your neighbors to recommend a good surgeon,
they'll tell you.
Illich's system really is the best way to promote learning.  Education
doesn't promote learning.  It just forces pre-decided concepts on
people, the current fads, and weeds out those students who aren't
adept at this kind of "learning".
-michael
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