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from: anim8rFSK
date: 2013-11-07 18:43:12
subject: Re: The alt.tv.star-trek.tos FAQ

From Newsgroup: alt.tv.star-trek.tos
From Address: anim8rfsk{at}cox.net
Subject: Re: The alt.tv.star-trek.tos FAQ

In article ,
 Graeme  wrote:

> On Tuesday, November 5, 2013 6:06:16 PM UTC-6, Wiseguy wrote:
> > No, because Baywatch is obviously inferior to any Star Trek by most 
> 
> That's what I said.  Are opinions okay if they're commonly held.  So you're 
> saying No, but your answer means Yes.
> 
> This is a TOS group, though.  It's not required to watch Enterprise at all, 
> much less have an opinion about it.
> 
>  
> > I think Kor was talking more about attitudes and such and not 
> > appearances. Kor wouldn't have shown shame to Kirk anyway.  But he did 
> > show up with the ridges on DS9 so either he was affected by the 
> > experiment or else he had cosmetic surgery because he wanted the ridges.
> 
> Yeah, Kor had ridges in Blood Oath.  But no explanation was given then.
> 
> 
> > Since many Trek fans hate Enterprise for various reasons, they 
> > immediately cite the last episode as showing that Enterprise wasn't 
> > real.
> 
> Not just Enterprise.  Voyager retconned most of itself away in its final 
> episode.

That's a heck of a good point.
> 
> I'm sure they have some decent historical records, but I doubt they'd be at 
> the level of detail of a TV episode

Check out the historical records in COURT MARTIAL.

> 
> 
> > Just fanwanking by haters 
> > of Enterprise who refuse to see what actually is shown onscreen.

What was shown on screen throughout the entire series was that it was 
completely out of continuity with real Trek.  What was shown in the 
terrible finale was that it was a holonovel.
> 
> Okay, I gather that you regard all criticism of Enterprise as inherently 
> unfair, and are absolutely wedded to the ad hominem fallacy that anyone who 
> dislikes it for any reason is a hater.  (So much for the comment about 
> "anyone who understands logic").  I tend to ignore it more
than hate it, for 
> the reason that it just wasn't very good, and was a continuity nightmare.  
> Everything that Kirk did first, they tried to retcon into claiming that 
> Archer did it first.  If everyone who dislikes it is a hater, is everyone who 
> likes it a groupie?  Be fair.
> 
> As you say, we must see what is shown onscreen.  And what we saw was that the 
> show was a historical novel.

Well, quasi historical.  Like a James Mitchner book.  Or a Dixon Hill 
game.

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