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echo: philos
to: DAVID MARTORANA
from: WILLIAM ELLIOT
date: 1998-04-12 02:18:00
subject: `Biological Morality`

 >>> David Martorana on "Biological Morality" 
 DM> @@> "THE BIOLOGICAL BASIS OF MORALITY" ?
 WE> Considering the genetic or evolutionary basis for behavior, behavior
 WE> is as complex as DNA.  Our attempts to codify human behavior will
 WE> consequently be as competent as our ability to understand the human
 WE> gene.
 DM> We are actually addressing an "ONLY-PHYSICAL" basis of being!?.
Consciousness is counter example.  Life also perhaps.
 DM> Complexity is relative and with enough memory and synthetic logic
 DM> (mostly pattern recognition, algorithms ....and time), it would
 DM> eventually reduce to what can be library reference, or creatable
 DM> structure mechanics (whether genomes or morality or any other
 DM> complexity of packaging). 
Categorical impossibility.  
 DM> With some room for bumps n warts, anything
 DM> we can think of is only a matter of resources and time expended to
 DM> "make happen". In the meantime we muddle along ...... 
Impractical to the utmost, inapplicable for even moving us faster than light, 
much less turning this whole universe into nothing.  There is a bunch of 
problems that take longer to compute an answer for than there is time in the 
universe.  You're thinking fails to acknowledge these well studied bothers.
 WE> What I dislike about all of this bio ethical or theo-ethical method
 WE> is the abstraction that it presumes for it's keystone.  Unlike the
 WE> sciences, human endeavor is human centered.  Assuming an abstract
 WE> theoretical or theological, is to miss the central human concern
 WE> to replace it with an inhuman construct. A significance ethical
 WE> discussion demonstrating the need for a human centered view point
 WE> is the hazards and utility of irrational convictions.
 DM> We be a small mess of fleshy parts with bits of logic, mostly
 DM> throwaway. "Human centered/concerns", "inhuman constructs"
 DM> "abstractions" etc,etc. have no present meaning beyond the hardly
 DM> understood *flesh organism* that seems define us. 
Just as I stated, the humanness of humans is discarded with this inhuman view 
of humanity, this allusion of an absolute abasing abstraction.
 DM> We work mightily to build God in our image but can't quite agree
 DM> on OUR image  
Hm, a popular hobby but not one of my choosing.
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