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from: Nasir Malik
date: 2005-01-07 10:41:00
subject: Top Ten Reasons to Reject

1. Mark 12:29 Jesus said "Here, O Israel: The Lord our God is one
Lord."
[This confirms that Jesus preached to worship One and Only God, not
trinity.

2. John 20:17 Jesus said I ascend to my God and your God. 
[Jesus has a God according to him; we know that God can't have a God?]

3. John 8:28 Jesus said, "I do nothing of myself" 
[Can a God be this dependant?]

4. John 14:28 Jesus said, "My Father (GOD) is greater than I am" 
[So, how can Jesus himself be a God?]

5. Luke 23:46 Jesus said "Father (GOD), into thy hands I commend my
spirit"
[God does not have spirit like Jesus did.]

6. Matthew 24:36 Jesus told his followers that no one (including
Jesus) knows when the judgment day will come, only GOD knows.
[Or Jesus was lying to his followers, if he was God?]

7. John 5:30 Jesus told his followers that he couldn't do a single
thing of his own.
[When a God became this helpless?]

8. John 5:32 Jesus told his followers that they have never seen GOD at
anytime nor ever heard his voice.
[Or Jesus was lying again here, if he was God?]

9. Luke 5:16 Jesus prays to God. 
[Funny, if Jesus was God, then why he is praying to God? Since when
and how a God has a God?]

10. Matthew 26:39 Jesus fell on his face and prayed to his GOD like
Muslims do.
[How would you explain this from the very Bible?]

Bonus!

John 17:3 and the Only True God!

And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God,
and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

Deuteronomy 4:2! Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract
from it, but keep the commands of the Lord your God that I give you.
[Also see: Deut 12:32; Josh 1:7; Prov 30:6; Rev 22:18-19; Jer 26:2;
Deut 10:12-13 & Ecc 12:13]

So, how can Christians' add (27) twenty-seven forged books of New
Testament (34 books of Catholics) to create their man-god, while
disregarding the above explicit verses?

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1. Christians don't see Jesus as a separate God, but as the human
presence of the One. Thus "The Lord our God is one Lord" is not an
issue.

2. Jesus is an actual human being. God used this human being as his
vehicle for living among us. But he remains human. Christian theology
is always careful to maintain the distinction between humanity and
God. Thus it is quite possible for Jesus as a human to have a God.

3. Jesus is dependent upon God for two reasons: (1) He is speaking as
a human. (2) Even the eternal Logos is dependent upon the Father.  The
Christian idea of God includes both Father and obedient Son.  This is
a major difference with Islam. In Islam, God asks humans to do things
he himself has not done. In Christianity, God invites us to join in
his love, and gives us the resources we need through the presence of
Christ. I understand that for Muslims the idea of God as dependent is
absurd. However Christians believe that Jesus showed this as an
essential aspect of God. I agree that Christianity has ideas about God
that would not naturally occur to us. But the whole point of sending
Jesus was to show us things that we wouldn't otherwise be able to find
out.

4. ditto

5. Jesus, as a human being, had a human spirit. 

6. Jesus, as a human being, did not know everything.

7. see 3

8. I believe the reference is wrong. Most likely you mean John 1:18.
It is quite clear from context that he meant no one had seen God
directly, but that they saw God through him.

9. Jesus, as a human being, prayed to God. But I think we can say
more than that. The eternal Logos presumably has some communication
with the Father. Jesus' prayer to God is the human image of the
Logos' communication with the Father.

10. See 9.

>Deuteronomy 4:2! Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract
>from it, but keep the commands of the Lord your God that I give you.

This is not referring to books of the Bible, but to modifications to
Moses' commands. If you take it to prohibit adding books after Deut,
then you would have to reject the prophets, the Psalms, etc.  (Indeed,
the Quran would be a major problem.)

--clh]
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