lsenders{at}hotmail.com wrote:
> gpatton{at}bayou.com wrote:
>
> > >
> >
> > OK. But I like "angels which kept not their first estate" rather
than
> > "fallen".  As "fallen" has several different meanings.
>
> Estrangement?  Alienation?  Are these better suited to you?

I still prefer "angels which kept not their first estate".  As that was
how you quoted scripture, and I liked the way you expressed it.

> > One might say a
> > tree has fallen and would not mean the tree sinned.
>
> No but it would be essentially -dead.  It is alienated from its root.

Yes, dead, but in dying it becomes shelter and food for many other
living creatures.

> >  It may have not
> > kept its first estate when it fell but that does not mean it
sinned.
> A
> > rock tumbles down a hill without sinning.
>
> None of which share "personhood."
>
> > Rain falls without sinning.
>
> Rom 8:20
>
> > Adam also could have tripped and fell, and "fallen" before either
he
> or
> > Eve ate the fruit. "Fallen" could mean too many things. Better to
use
> > precise language.
> >
> Theologically, most everyone here knows at least the general
definition
> for "fallen."  It's an acceptable word.

And it still has several meanings.

> Also, in point of fact, The Fall  did take place prior to eating.
> Eating was merely the external exhibition of an already reoriented of
> the inclination of the will.

Do you mean to say that Adam began falling as soon as he was created?
How interesting! I find these quaint interpretations of scripture to be
fascinating.  I had no idea that the "real" story of Adam and Eve,
was so different from that we can read in the book of Genesis.
>
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