David Glenn Misner wrote:
> >If Adam had died in the day he ate the fruit, his death would
> >have ended that plan for mankind. The consequences
> >qwebster2 mentions may be in lieu of Adam's sudden
> >demise. That His plan might succeed, perhaps the Creator
> >allowed Himself the right to change details as needs warrant,
> >the right to change His mind. Now, if you find such a concept
> >disturbing, would you please explain why?
>
> I can't believe this topic has gone on for this long.  I believe that
> somebody said that Adam's death was a spiritual death.  When God said
> that whomever ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil
> would surely die on that day He did not say what kind of death it
> would be did He?
>

Well, this is supposed to be a Bible study, and the topic has
remained fresh and fascinating for each new generation for
more than 3000 years.

Actually, God gave the command, or prohibition, specifically
to the man, Adam. We're not told how Eve came by her
information, but her response to the serpent indicates she
may have added to God's command. Adam was later
rebuked not just for eating the fruit, but for listening to his wife
as well.

The kind of death God describes in Gen 2:17 is the same
kind of death both Eve and the serpent refer to in Gen 3:3-4.
It is the same kind of death that ended Adam's life after 930
years in Gen 5:5. I think He did say what kind of death.
>

>I believe that the Bible talks about a death that is simply a
>separation from God. Remember until that time Adam and
>Eve could freely commune with God and after that time they
>could not. Is that not indeed a death?
>

They could not commune with God? A separation from Him?
I take it, this is your definition of spiritual death. What evidence
can you produce that they did _not_ commune with God?
In fact, the Genesis record declares that _after_ their
transgression the Lord clothed both in garments of skin (and
this is a very interesting story in itself). Adam and Eve were
banished from the garden and the tree of life. Later, beyond
garden, Eve declares that she has given birth to a manchild
_with God's help_. Furthermore, it is clear their children did
commune with God. It was not until after Cain murdered his
brother that he, and he alone, was banished from the
presence the Lord. Even then, God put a mark on Cain to
protect him from death at the hands of others, vowing a
sevenfold vengeance on anyone who would kill Cain.
Please, don't take my word for it, read the story yourself.

Sorry I took so long to respond, it's been a busy week.
I'll respond to Matthew tomorrow.

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