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Jn 1:2 "He was in the beginning with God." [NASB] Again, in the Greek, John chose to use the imperfect tense. This allows the verse to read, "He was [already] in the beginning with God." And again, the Greek preposition "with" confers equality of relation between the Logos and God. Now it is common to suppose that 1:2 is little more than poetic repetition of 1:1. However, the logical construction seems to stand at odds with such a conclusion. Remember, John is writing from a deeply Jewish perspective. His cosmology is different than all of those who stood outside of Moses' unique teaching found in Genesis. Prov. 8:22, 23 "The Lord possessed me at the beginning of His way, Before His works of old. From everlasting I was established, From the beginning, from the earliest times of the earth." Prov. 8:30 Then I was beside Him. . . . John's Logos is clearly the OT's "Wisdom" which requires harmony with the rest of the OT testimony such as: Is. 44:24 Thus says the Lord, your Redeemer, and the one who formed you from the womb, "I, the Lord, am the maker of all things, stretching out the heavens by Myself, and spreading out the earth all alone, This cannot refer to the Father. For earlier Isaiah made this distinction: Is. 44:6 "Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts: 'I am the first and I am the last, and there is no God besides Me. "AND". This is a contrasting conjunction. The Redeemer is at the same time "Lord of the hosts" and yet distinguished from "the Lord." John's Logos is the Redeemer who stood beside YHVH prior to creation. That is, the Logos, being "already", was never created. He is prior to creation. Jesus is the Logos who was "with" the Father. He is the YHVH of Hosts because He created them. Again, the Greek in Jn 1:2 reveals a specificity which the English does not. The pronoun, outos, emphasizes the point that "This one," namely the Logos, "was [already] with God." There is no "squiggle" room left the interpreter here. John is clearly articulating both equality to God and separation from that which later came to be created. John answers the "Us" of Gen 1:26 by stating that "This One" was He who was in the beginning with God. John also answers Agur's question: Prov. 30:4 Who has ascended into heaven and descended? Who has gathered the wind in His fists? Who has wrapped the waters in His garment? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is His name or His son's name? Surely you know! John announces that this OT mystery person was none other than the Logos. Agur, with satire dripping from his tongue implied that though there are those who presume and profess to know God perfectly and give a "exact representation" of all that He does, simply confessed that he was not one of those men. All revelation about God comes from God. John reveals in the first two verses of his NT gospel that God has now revealed the Revealer -the Logos. This adequately expresses and presents an understanding of why John chose the term logos to identify 1 John 1:1 What was from the beginning, what we have heard, what we have seen with our eyes, what we beheld and our hands handled, concerning the Word of Life-- 1 John 1:2 and the life was manifested, and we have seen and bear witness and proclaim to you the_eternal_life, which was "with" the Father and was manifested to us-- 1 John 1:3 what we have seen and heard we proclaim to you also, that you also may have fellowship with us; and indeed our fellowship is with the Father, and with His Son Jesus Christ. It is interesting to note, that prior to John's writing of his gospel, another NT epistle had already attached the term logos to the God-Man, Jesus. Heb. 4:12 For the word [logos] of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge [logos] the thoughts and intentions of the heart. Sort of sheds new light on an old verse, does it not! John's Logos is Paul's "Just and Justifier." (Rom 3:26) The Logos is the mystery which alone can represent and reveal the mystery of God. He is eternal because He is "eternal life", and stood with God prior to all that was created. He is eternal for He was part of the "counsel of God" which by necessity occurred not only prior to creation but prior to all which came into existence outside of the Godhead. In this "counsel" it was determined that the second Person of the Godhead would be the Revealer, the Logos of God. Becoming man, He is the perfect bridge, the perfect Mediator, between God and man. To know the Logos is to know God. Col 1:15 And He is the image of the invisible God, the first born of all creation. Paul specifically uses the verb "is" not "after." He is the Logos of God. If it were not for the Logos, we would never see God. John 14:9 Jesus said to him, "Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how do you say, 'Show us the Father'? John 1:1-2 teach us two things. One, that Jesus Christ is part of the Supreme Being, thus His supremacy, His sufficiency, His ability to satisfy all needs or wants and His worship as attested to in Rev 4, 5. Second, Jesus Christ is central to the Godhead's design to reveal Himself. "Jesus Christ [is] the object of all, the center to which everything tends. Whoever knows Him understands all things." [Pensees 12, Blaise Pascal] ((( s.r.c.b-s is a moderated group. 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