basicallyblues wrote:
> >. Gen
> >5:24; Hebrews 11:5. Elijah went up to heaven, but was taken also, by
> >firey chariot. 2 Kings 2:11. Neither "ascended" which implies
> something
> >they did themselves. Thus, scripture remains intact and true.
>
> Nice try but you are wrong. Enoch "died" as Hebrews said.

No, Hebrews says that Enoch did _not_ die. Did you read it?

"5By faith Enoch was taken from this life, so that he did not
experience death; he could not be found, because God had taken him
away."

> Elijah did not go to heaven-

Again, we need to quote it so it is plain as day:

1 When the LORD was about to take Elijah up to heaven in a whirlwind,
Elijah and Elisha were on their way from Gilgal.

Seems they all knew it was going to happen. Not that he was about to
die.

11 As they were walking along and talking together, suddenly a chariot
of fire and horses of fire appeared and separated the two of them, and
Elijah went up to heaven in a whirlwind. 12 Elisha saw this and cried
out, "My father! My father! The chariots and horsemen of Israel!" And
Elisha saw him no more.

If Elisha say him no more, then where did he go?

> even Hebrews 9:8 says that the "way into heaven had
> not been manifest"

Hebrews 9:8 is talking about the Holy of Holies, not about Heaven. At
this point, maybe you should point out which Bible you are using,
because it seems to be radically different.

> even when the transfiguration took place! Hebrews
> 9:8 says the "holy spirit has made it plain..." that this is so.
>
>  You are also wrong about the meaning of the word "ascended", which
has
> no distinction between action taken involuntarily or voluntarily.

That may be, but I would like to see your reasoning as explaining away
what the Bible says as plain as day.

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