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>No, Hebrews says that Enoch did _not_ die. Did you read it? I started a separate thread on Enoch called "Did Enoch Die?" >Hebrews 9:8 is talking about the Holy of Holies, not about Heaven. The "holy of holies" pictured heaven and that was the point of Hebrews chapter 9- how the earthly arrangement prefigured the heavenly one. "The Holy Spirit is signifying this, that the way into the holy place has not yet been discolsed while the outer tabernacle is still standing" (Heb. 9:8 NASB) the "holy place" signifies heaven. Until Christ had presented the atoning value of his sacrifice to God (Heb. 9:24) the way into the "holy place" heaven was not available to man. "For Christ did not enter into a holy place made with hands, a mere copy of the true one, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us." Elijah, Enoch, Moses all died before this took place in 33 c.e This is why at John 3:13 Jesus said: "No one has ascended into heaven, but He who descended from heaven: the Son of Man" (NASB) Through his manifestation upon earth nineteen centuries ago, the Son of God "shed light upon life and incorruption through the good news." (2 Tim. 1:10) Through him God gave to many persons "a new birth to a living hope . . . to an incorruptible and undefiled and unfading inheritance . . . reserved in the heavens." (1 Pet. 1:3, 4) Jesus Christ himself was the first person resurrected to fullness of life, the first to be resurrected to heaven.-Rev. 1:5. Jesus was therefore the "forerunner" of those receiving life in heaven. The inspired Christian writer said of the heavenly hope: "This hope we have as an anchor for the soul, both sure and firm, and it enters in within the curtain [into the Most Holy of the temple, representing God's own heavenly dwelling place], where a forerunner has entered in our behalf, Jesus who has become a high priest according to the manner of Melchizedek forever." (Heb. 6:19, 20) The same writer shows that the curtain to the Most Holy compartment of the wilderness tabernacle represented Jesus' flesh. (Heb. 10:20; compare Exodus 26:1, 31, 33.) As long as Jesus was in the flesh, he could not go into heaven, for "flesh and blood cannot inherit God's kingdom." (1 Cor. 15:50) By his giving up his flesh, which he gave "in behalf of the life of the world," and by his being resurrected "in the spirit," the way was opened for those who would be invited to the kingdom of the heavens.-John 6:51; 1 Pet. 3:18. Furthermore, Christ's resurrection is said to be "a guarantee to all men" that God will resurrect others. (Acts 17:31; 24:15) This would not be true if God had been resurrecting righteous men to heaven all through the preceding centuries. How, then, are we to understand the Bible account about the prophet Elijah, which reads: "As they [Elijah and Elisha] were walking along, speaking as they walked, why, look! a fiery war chariot and fiery horses, and they proceeded to make a separation between them both; and Elijah went ascending in the windstorm to the heavens." (2 Ki. 2:11) Did Elijah actually go into the heavens of God? Or did he die? "No man has ascended into heaven but he that descended from heaven, the Son of man." (John 3:13) Speaking of John the Baptist, Jesus said: "Among those born of women there has not been raised up a greater than John the Baptist; but a person that is a lesser one in the kingdom of the heavens is greater than he is." (Matt. 11:11) Accordingly, Elijah, not being greater than John, could not be in heaven. What, then, were the "heavens" into which Elijah was taken by the windstorm? These were the physical heavens, the atmosphere, the "expanse," also called "Heaven" at Genesis 1:6-8. A windstorm could exist only in this atmospheric expanse, not in the spirit realm of Jehovah's heavenly presence. Elijah was carried up out of Elisha's sight by the windstorm. The Bible does not say that Elijah died on that occasion. As a matter of fact, Elijah was still alive and active as a prophet at least five years later, apparently over in the territory of Judah. The Bible tells us: "Eventually there came a writing to [Jehoram, king of Judah] from Elijah the prophet." This letter foretold the sickness and death of Jehoram because of his wrong, idolatrous course. (2 Chron. 21:12-15) A further evidence that Elijah did not die at the time of being taken into the "heavens" is that his servant and successor Elisha did not then hold the customary period of mourning for his master.-Compare 2 Samuel 19:1; 1 Chronicles 7:22; 2 Chronicles 35:24. ((( s.r.c.b-s is a moderated group. All posts are approved by a moderator. ))) ((( Read http://srcbs.org for details about this group BEFORE you post. ))) --- UseNet To RIME Gateway {at} 3/24/05 8:46:07 PM ---* Origin: MoonDog BBS þ Brooklyn,NY 718 692-2498 (1:278/230) SEEN-BY: 633/267 270 5030/786 @PATH: 278/230 10/345 106/1 2000 633/267 |
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