From: "Geo." 

"Adam Flinton"  wrote in
message news:40367850{at}w3.nls.net...

> > Yes, pretty much that's all they have to do is create a distibution less
all
> > the apps and then include a "sampler" CD with all the
apps. Now if there
is
> > an exploit for Gaim the distribution doesn't require an update so it's
no
> > longer an issue.
> >
>
> Why call it a "sampler" surely "3'rd party applications" or
> "applications not written by Red Hat" will do.

They don't have to call it a sampler, all they have to do is put it on a CD
not labeled as "Red Hat".

> It's surprizing you don't recognize GAIM as a separate product.

I recognize GAIM as a separate thing from the OS but it's on the CD it's
part of the RedHat product.

> I'm sure these people will disagree:
>
> "Gaim
> Copyright (C) 1998-2004 by the following:

from the IE about page:

Based on NCSA Mosaic. NCSA Mosaic(TM); was developed at the National Center
for Supercomputing Applications at the University of Illinois at
Urbana-Champaign.
Distributed under a licensing agreement with Spyglass, Inc. Contains
security software licensed from RSA Data Security Inc. Portions of this
software are based in part on the work of the Independent JPEG Group.
Multimedia software components, including Indeo(R); video, Indeo(R) audio,
and Web Design Effects are provided by Intel Corp. Unix version contains
software licensed from Mainsoft Corporation. Copyright (c) 1998-1999
Mainsoft Corporation. All rights reserved. Mainsoft is a trademark of
Mainsoft Corporation.
Warning: This computer program is protected by copyright law and
international treaties. Unauthorized reproduction or distribution of this
program, or any portion of it, may result in severe civil and criminal
penalties, and will be prosecuted to the maximum extent possible under the
law.

...so you were saying IE isn't really part of the OS or from Microsoft?

> Fine but Linux ain't Red Hat. Rich'es point was "oh look at the security
> advisories for Red Hat ...ergo "linux has security problems" ..etc.

It's like calling something "windows". I used to have a hot
button about people calling NT "Windows" because at the time most
people meant dos based windows when they would say "windows". But
in this case RedHat is the most popular Linux distrib so it's proper to
talk about RH when talking about Linux.

> Whereas if you go & grab a minidistrib which loads from a cd or floppy
> it's not got GAIM but is linux. So then either Gaim ain't a "linux"
> problem or it's a security problem for both Windows & Linux.

Ok fine, what's the url to download Linux? None of these stupid
distributions, where is this pure source you keep referring to as
"linux"? .. and I expect it not to have a distributors name on it
since that would make the distributor responsible for it.. when it boots it
should just say "Linux" not "SUSE Linux" not
"Slackware Linux" not "Knoppix Linux" not "SE
Linux"...etc.

Oh and it better be easy to install because everyone says "Linux"
is easy to install.  (that means no fair pointing me at source
code)

Geo.

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