From: Adam Flinton 

Geo. wrote:

> "Adam Flinton"  wrote in message
> news:40367850{at}w3.nls.net...
>
>
>>>Yes, pretty much that's all they have to do is create a distibution less
>
> all
>
>>>the apps and then include a "sampler" CD with all the
apps. Now if there
>
> is
>
>>>an exploit for Gaim the distribution doesn't require an update so it's
>
> no
>
>>>longer an issue.
>>>
>>
>>Why call it a "sampler" surely "3'rd party
applications" or
>>"applications not written by Red Hat" will do.
>
>
> They don't have to call it a sampler, all they have to do is put it on a CD
> not labeled as "Red Hat".
>
>
>>It's surprizing you don't recognize GAIM as a separate product.
>
>
> I recognize GAIM as a separate thing from the OS but it's on the CD it's
> part of the RedHat product.
>

Yup but is it part of "linux"? Wether it's in RH or not doesn't
make it part of "linux".

>
>>I'm sure these people will disagree:
>>
>>"Gaim
>>Copyright (C) 1998-2004 by the following:
>
>
> from the IE about page:
>
> Based on NCSA Mosaic. NCSA Mosaic(TM); was developed at the National Center
> for Supercomputing Applications at the University of Illinois at
> Urbana-Champaign.
> Distributed under a licensing agreement with Spyglass, Inc.
> Contains security software licensed from RSA Data Security Inc.
> Portions of this software are based in part on the work of the Independent
> JPEG Group.
> Multimedia software components, including Indeo(R); video, Indeo(R) audio,
> and Web Design Effects are provided by Intel Corp.
> Unix version contains software licensed from Mainsoft Corporation. Copyright
> (c) 1998-1999 Mainsoft Corporation. All rights reserved. Mainsoft is a
> trademark of Mainsoft Corporation.
> Warning: This computer program is protected by copyright law and
> international treaties. Unauthorized reproduction or distribution of this
> program, or any portion of it, may result in severe civil and criminal
> penalties, and will be prosecuted to the maximum extent possible under the
> law.
>
> ....so you were saying IE isn't really part of the OS or from Microsoft?
>

It also says "Copyright 1992-2001 Microsoft Corp"

Where is the "Copyright RedHat" in the Gaim copyright doc?


>
>>Fine but Linux ain't Red Hat. Rich'es point was "oh look at the security
>>advisories for Red Hat ...ergo "linux has security problems" ..etc.
>
>
> It's like calling something "windows". I used to have a hot
button about
> people calling NT "Windows" because at the time most people
meant dos based
> windows when they would say "windows". But in this case
RedHat is the most
> popular Linux distrib so it's proper to talk about RH when talking about
> Linux.
>
>

RH ain't the most popular one here. Probably not in large sections of the
rest of the world. Here, Suse & Mandrake rule (esp since RH moved the
user desktoppy dist to "fedora").


>>Whereas if you go & grab a minidistrib which loads from a cd or floppy
>>it's not got GAIM but is linux. So then either Gaim ain't a "linux"
>>problem or it's a security problem for both Windows & Linux.
>
>
> Ok fine, what's the url to download Linux? None of these stupid
> distributions, where is this pure source you keep referring to as
"linux"?
> ... and I expect it not to have a distributors name on it since that would
> make the distributor responsible for it.. when it boots it should just say
> "Linux" not "SUSE Linux" not "Slackware
Linux" not "Knoppix Linux" not "SE
> Linux"...etc.
>

I could send you a copy but it might have some legalese from the a branch
of the British gov. I'm sure your gov could send you one too. Why not ask
your gov types?


> Oh and it better be easy to install because everyone says
"Linux" is easy to
> install.  (that means no fair pointing me at source code)
>

Oh right so Gentoo is out then......

Adam

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