RW>Which is selective enforcement, which is saying that
  >you are willing to let people commit crimes in areas
  >but not in others.
CH> But it's not selective for the sake of being selective. 
CH> Usually in law enforcement zt is invoked for an area that
CH> has serious problems  and needs cleaning up.
Ah, but tell that to the civil rights people who point
out that all your ZT areas are minority or low income
areas.
RW>Sure they do.  If you catch two people doing the same
  >thing in two different places you treat them the both
  >the same.  Not let a 16 y.o. kid driving the BMW in the
  >neighborhood where the houses cost a minimum of
  >$500,000 off with a "you've been a bad boy" speech when
  >you find a 'roach' in his car but if it is a 16 y.o.
  >kid walking down an ally in a public housing area with
  >a roach in his sock you toss him in the back of the
CH> You posit and interesting example, Rich; but that is not the
CH> intent of zt operations.
How many time have you heard about how a lot the drug
buyers are 'outsiders' who come in to the "bad
neighborhoods" just to get drugs?  So lets say a city
councilman's kid is caught in his $60,000 BMW in your
ZT area.  Now is he going to get the ZT treatment that
Joe Smuck in his $8,000 Yugo gets?
RW>flashlight.  Why if this is a DUI road block?  Seems to
  >me like it is nothing more than a police check point
  >where they are searching me and my car for any
  >violations of the law.
CH> Any officer stopping your vehicle is going to be concerned
CH> about his safety.  Obviously, if you had a 12 guage shotgun
CH> on the seat next to you it would be important that he be
CH> aware of that.  Moreover, the officer has an obligation to
Hum. . .I guess they think maybe I'm Plasticman and
they should make sure I don't have that shotgun on the
rear floorboard behind the driver's seat.  I can see
the argument but when the courts have ruled that the
officer can search the passenger compartment even if
the driver is out side of the car for the officer's
"safety" it starts getting really thin.
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