Rod, at 10:10 on Mar 19 1996, you wrote to Bill Grimsley...

RS> It would be very interesting in many ways to cart your Sportster
RS> round to his place and do a Sportster/Sportster stats on his two
RS> lines. Do we know that both his lines are immaculate ? Pity Russ
RS> has returned, but if Dave gets the same stats to you at home with
RS> both lines, thats probably close enough.

Yeah, I'd tend to agree with that as well.  Presumably you saw those line
stats from Dave last week, which gave the Rx/Tx as -14dBm/-18dBm
respectively.  :)  Nothing wrong with those lines at all, that's for sure.

RS> Presumably an M34F pair test at Daves is out of the question practically 
RS> tho.

Yeah, it was hard enough getting one, and it's gone back now, AFAIK.

RS> Hard to say what the Dave/Paul stats with M34Fs shows, tho it does
RS> look like the M34F stats are fucked. The proof would be to do an M34F
RS> pair test on Daves two lines if they are both immaculate, and if the
RS> stats are the same as to Paul, clearly the numbers are meaningless.

I'm not convinced that we'll ever resolve this problem at this level.

RS> Atleast USR/USR stats do change and do approximately correlate
RS> with what you would expect to see. The FNQ/Bulldog, FNQ/Paul and
RS> FNQ/You do fit pretty well with You/Paul and Bulldog/Paul etc.

True, nothing glaringly obvious ever jumps out at you from the USR stats.

RS> I think all we can really conclude currently is that the M34F
RS> stats are pretty obviously fucked, but not clear if they are
RS> fine with M34F/M34F calls, and not very useful anyway since
RS> its really not that sensible to try to turn the full range
RS> of params that affect V34 calls into just two numbers anyway.

Precisely, and as that level of reporting is only available from modems
like the Sportster or Courier, it all becomes rather moot.

RS> We do however know that Daves BBS line is vastly better
RS> than yours. Mainly from the Russ FNQ calls with USR/USR pairs.

And that Paul's is somewhere between Dave's and mine in quality.

Regards, Bill

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