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I choose a real world example that supports my point. You jump =
between multiple imaginary scenarios and speculations trying to support =
your claims that despite redhat taking responsibility for the security =
flaws in its linux product, you assert that they have none.
Rich
"Adam Flinton" wrote in message =
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> We are discussing redhat which does brand software developed by =3D
> others and claims rights to this branding. If you want to back =
peddle =3D
> from your earlier claims, try to keep to the subject.
ROFLMAO ....you ask someone to "try to keep to the subject"? You're =
as usual
trying to divert & make up subjects via changing thread titles to suit =
your
position.
You chose the Red Hat Distribution as "linux" not anyone else.=20
You then used 3'rd party applications (which run on multiple OS'es) as =
examples
where there are vulnerabilites in "linux".
You then claimed that becuase Red Hat bundles those applications, =
somehow RH
gained the copyright to those programs.=20
You have then totally failed to explain why such a thing is not =
applicable to
Microsoft OS'es.
However your evasion of simple questions is so noticeable that you =
must have
some real problems explaining if MS is going to try & seize the =
copyright of
any competing products the EU might require MS bundles along with =
Windows.
Adam
> Rich
> "Adam Flinton" wrote
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>> redhat customizes many of the software that they include in their =
=3D
> =3D3D
>> product. They include redhat branding and make other changes as =
=3D
> they =3D3D
>> see fit. I have no idea whether they customize gaim but even if =
=3D
> they =3D3D
>> did Adam needs to look to see if there is a copyright notice on =3D
> redhat =3D3D
>> linux and not some independent release of gaim that has nothing to =
=3D
> do =3D3D
>> with the one for which redhat took responsibility because it was =
=3D3D
>> included with redhat's product. redhat does include a copyright =
=3D
> notice =3D3D
>> in its product and it shouuld apply to everything in its product.
> Blimey I know MS has a history of putting it's copyright onto other =
=3D
> people's
> work (such as doublespace Stac) but this is amazing.
> There is not an "independant release of gaim", merely a release of =
=3D
> gaim. Gaim
> is owned by the people who wrote it.=3D20
> So let's see if I've got this right, if Sony of Dell bundle Windows =
=3D
> with their
> product then they get to put their copyright onto Windows?
> & if the MS-EU deal resolves to including competing products then MS =
=3D
> will put
> it's copyright onto GAIM, Mozilla, Real player etc?
> That should make some lawyers very rich.
> Adam
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> Rich
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> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable> redhat =
customizes =3D
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> the software that they include in their =3D3D>
product. =
=3D
> They include=3D20
> redhat branding and make other changes as they =3D3D> see =3D
> fit. I have=3D20
> no idea whether they customize gaim but even if they =3D3D> =
did =3D
> Adam needs=3D20
> to look to see if there is a copyright notice on redhat =
=3D3D> =3D
> linux and=3D20
> not some independent release of gaim that has nothing to do =3D
> =3D3D> with the=3D20
> one for which redhat took responsibility because it was =
=3D3D> =3D
> included=3D20
> with redhat's product. redhat does include a copyright notice =
=3D
> =3D3D>=3D20
> in its product and it shouuld apply to everything in its=3D20
> product.Blimey I know MS has a history of putting it's =3D
> copyright onto=3D20
> other people'swork (such as doublespace <>
Stac) but this =
is =3D
> amazing.There is not an "independant
release of gaim", =
merely =3D
> a=3D20
> release of gaim. Gaimis owned by the people who wrote it. =3D
> So let's=3D20
> see if I've got this right, if Sony of Dell bundle Windows with=3D20
> theirproduct then they get to put their copyright onto=3D20
> Windows?& if the MS-EU deal resolves to
including =3D
> competing=3D20
> products then MS will putit's copyright onto GAIM, Mozilla, Real =
=3D
> player=3D20
> etc?That should make some lawyers very=3D20
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I choose
a real world =
example that=20
supports my point. You jump between multiple imaginary scenarios = and=20
speculations trying to support your claims that despite redhat taking=20
responsibility for the security flaws in its linux product, you =
assert that=20
they have none.
Rich
"Adam Flinton" <Adam.Flinton{at}harborwebs.commailto:Adam.Flinton{at}harborwebs.com">Adam.Flinton{at}harborwebs.com
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wrote in message news:50932d.5836fb{at}harborwebs.=
com...>=20
From: "Rich" <{at}>> This is a
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redhat=20
which does brand software developed by =3D> others and claims =
rights to=20
this branding. If you want to back peddle =3D>
from your =
earlier=20
claims, try to keep to the subject.ROFLMAO ....you
ask someone =
to "try=20
to keep to the subject"? You're as usualtrying to divert =
& make=20
up subjects via changing thread titles to suit =
yourposition.You=20
chose the Red Hat Distribution as "linux" not anyone else.
You =
then used=20
3'rd party applications (which run on multiple OS'es) as =
exampleswhere=20
there are vulnerabilites in "linux".You then claimed
that becuase =
Red Hat=20
bundles those applications, somehow RHgained the copyright to =
those=20
programs. You have then totally failed to explain why such a thing =
is not=20
applicable toMicrosoft OS'es.However your
evasion of =
simple=20
questions is so noticeable that you must havesome real problems =
explaining=20
if MS is going to try & seize the copyright ofany competing =
products=20
the EU might require MS bundles along with =
Windows.Adam>=20
Rich> "Adam Flinton" <Adam.Flinton{at}harborwebs.commailto:Adam.Flinton{at}harborwebs.com">Adam.Flinton{at}harborwebs.com
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From: "Rich" <{at}>>> This
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whether they=20
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=3D3D>> did Adam =
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do =3D3D>> with the one for which redhat took
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people's> work=20
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gaim.=20
Gaim> is owned by the people who wrote
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let's see if=20
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their> product then they get to put their copyright onto=20
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competing=20
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