lsenders{at}hotmail.com wrote:
> Bart Goddard wrote:
> > lsenders{at}hotmail.com wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Bart Goddard wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >> I cite, again, "ALL Scripture is written for OUR
learning."
> > >> Each verse is for every man.  It's plain.  It's simple.
> > >> It's straighforward.  Nobody can read a verse of the Bible and
> > >> then assert this verse wasn't written for him.
> > >>
> > > And again you fail to distinquish between application and
> > > interpretation.  It is a fundamental error.
> >
> > You can try to hide behind platitudes, but I'm not failing
> > at all here.  (If I were trying to convince you of something,
> > then I might be failing, but I'm smarter than to try to
> > teach a pig to sing.)
> >
> > The bottom line is, (and this is exactly what I said)
> > your nonsense where you try to dodge verses you don't like
> > by saying they were written for someone else won't make
> > good theology no matter how you slice it, or what sort of
> > smugness you try to hide behind.
> >
> > I promise you:  Everyone on this newsgroup sees right through
> > you and the false airs you put on.
> >
> Bart, if you could stop posturing for once, and stop presuming that
> everyone opperates off of your own mental orientation, then perhaps a
> discussion could proceed.  "Hiding beind platitudes" reveals how you
> perceive life, not how I do.   It matters little to me what you think
> of me.  What matters is that people gain true truth.  And if we are
to
> do just that, we must stop looking at the Bible as some "magical"
> charm.  What you are suggesting is really a devotional stance.
Nothing
> wrong with that per say except that it does not promise to gain us
the
> true truth of Scripture, only our emotional wantings.  Our hearts
need
> this or that "truth" made real to us.  We seek verification in His
> Word.  But we do not consider what the Scriptures are truly saying,
> only what we want them to say.  After a time, this little
self-serving
> paradigm bears fruit.   All too often, it makes hearts grow cold for
> there is the internal recognition that we've made the bible truth
> relative.  If you can make it say what you want it to say, even if we
> gain great emotional highs from it, in the end it is just relativism.
> It's just another self-indulgent trip.
>
> Counter to this is true bible study.  Why should we think that we
need
> Bible colleges and seminaries if all we have to do is what you
suggest?
>  Rather, bible study takes a great deal of work if we are to glean
the
> original intent of the writer as inspired by the Spirit.  If we
follow
> your paradigm, then we can throw away our Greek and Hebrew study
> manuals, our bible interpretation manuals, do away with our Bible
> colleges and seminaries, because, after all, anyone can mine the same
> gold just by reading our KJV bible in our Western 20th C cultural
> mindset and definitions.

(not trying to butt into the argument, but just as an aside)

Many seminaries are supposedly turning out teachers of the Word who
deny Christ, or are even atheists. Some groups use the academic tools
of study you describe to twist the Word of God, like pro-"Christian"
homosexual apologists, or to advance their provincial interpretations
(like the JWs). Are there not different levels of wisdom? Is not some
of it a gift of the Spirit? Do not some people need things fed to them
didactically as in milk to babes, rather than comprehending or
digesting it on their own? I do not mean to say that such study and
study materials are _only_ for such people. However, how much of the
Bible's wisdom is lost for the non-Bible-educated people? Did Martin
Luther have his study manuals handy when he made his interpretation of
Scripture that subsequently changed Christiandom and the world, or did
he just read the Bible as it was written? Perhaps we should be careful
not to subjugate the thing studied to the tools used to study it.

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