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to: Chris Robinson
from: Rich
date: 2004-02-18 08:41:06
subject: Re: https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2004-051.html

From: "Rich" 

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   Your quote of what I wrote is correct.  Your interpretation is wrong. =
 I also disagree with your claim of unfairness.  Productized linux is no =
different from other operating systems like Windows, MacOS, Solaris, etc =
and include plenty of applications to actually make them useful.  =
Products like redhat linux 9 have tons of vulnerabilities.  Just look at =
the redhat security bulletins of which I provided an example.  You keep =
deluding yourself if it makes you feel better.

Rich

  "Chris Robinson"  wrote
in message =
news:4033546d$1{at}w3.nls.net...
  Rich wrote:

  >    My examples were redhat supplied applications with security
  > vulnerabilities for which redhat took responsibility despite your
  > claims that since they don't own the copyright they are not
  > responsible.
  >=20
  > Rich
  >=20

  The simple fact here is that it's an unfair comparison.  Your original
  post and point was (unless I've totally misinterpreted it) trying to
  say that Linux is as/ more, insecure/ buggy than Windows, or to put in
  your words: "It's not that Linux is not full of problems, it's that
  virtually no one cares".

  You chose to use the Linux distribution "Redhat Linux 9" to try and
  illustrate you point.  Unfortunately, your point has flaws when it
  comes to Windows/ Linux security/ bugs etc.  Due to the unique nature
  of Open Source software and Linux, Linux is bundled as a distribution
  that often includes an extremely large amount of bundled software.
  This is very convenient for the user and eases installation.

  I'm not arguing that Redhat didn't issue more patches/ bugfixes than
  were issued for Windows.  In fact, considering the huge amount of
  software bundled by Redhat, I'd be extremely worried if Windows did
  have more patches available for it.

  The simple basic fact here is that the comparison is unfair.  Lets
  forget for a moment who's responsible for any patches.  Simply
  comparing Windows patches Vs Redhat Linux 9 patches is not a fair or
  valid way of judging the bugginess/ security of these two operating
  systems when comparing Windows to Linux in this way.

  Other issues aside, surely anyone can see that.

  Chris.


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   Your
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correct.  Your interpretation is wrong.  I also disagree
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claim of unfairness.  Productized linux is no different from
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plenty = of=20
applications to actually make them useful.  Products like redhat =
linux 9=20
have tons of vulnerabilities.  Just look at the redhat security =
bulletins=20
of which I provided an example.  You keep deluding yourself if it
= makes you=20
feel better.
 
Rich
 

  "Chris Robinson" <c.robinson{at}NOtotaliseSPAM=">mailto:c.robinson{at}NOtotaliseSPAM.co.uk">c.robinson{at}NOtotaliseSPAM=
.co.uk>=20
  wrote in message news:4033546d$1{at}w3.nls.net...Rich=20
  wrote:>    My
examples were redhat supplied=20
  applications with security> vulnerabilities for which redhat =
took=20
  responsibility despite your> claims that since they don't own =
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  copyright they are not> responsible.>
> =
Rich>=20
  The simple fact here is that it's an unfair
comparison.  =
Your=20
  originalpost and point was (unless I've totally misinterpreted it) =
trying=20
  tosay that Linux is as/ more, insecure/ buggy than Windows, or to =
put=20
  inyour words: "It's not that Linux is not full of problems, it's=20
  thatvirtually no one cares".You chose
to use the Linux=20
  distribution "Redhat Linux 9" to try andillustrate you =
point. =20
  Unfortunately, your point has flaws when itcomes to Windows/ Linux =

  security/ bugs etc.  Due to the unique natureof Open Source =
software=20
  and Linux, Linux is bundled as a distributionthat often includes =
an=20
  extremely large amount of bundled software.This is very convenient =
for the=20
  user and eases installation.I'm not arguing that
Redhat didn't =
issue=20
  more patches/ bugfixes thanwere issued for Windows.  In fact, =

  considering the huge amount ofsoftware bundled by Redhat, I'd be =
extremely=20
  worried if Windows didhave more patches available for =
it.The=20
  simple basic fact here is that the comparison is unfair.  =
Letsforget=20
  for a moment who's responsible for any patches.  =
Simplycomparing=20
  Windows patches Vs Redhat Linux 9 patches is not a fair orvalid =
way of=20
  judging the bugginess/ security of these two operatingsystems when =

  comparing Windows to Linux in this way.Other issues aside, =
surely=20
  anyone can see
that.Chris.

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