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from: Bart Goddard goddardbe{at}n
date: 2005-03-24 01:11:00
subject: Re: Once Saved Always Saved

lsenders{at}hotmail.com wrote:

>> How many times can you assert "P and not P" and think that
>> anyone will swallow it?  (Like I said, no one is fooled.)
>>
> If you would stop being argumentative long enough

What on earth could _that_ mean?  We're having an
_argument_ so how can either one of us not be "argumentative"?

This is another example of you throwing words together
that sound nice to you, but they don't mean anything.


> you'd understand the significance of making the distinction
> between "truth" and "true truth" in today's world.
 How many people do
> you hear saying thing like, "I know it's true.  I saw it on TV"?

You're trying to make up a flavor of "truth" which means
that something is true (in this new sense) simply because
some doofus believes it?  We don't need a new way to say
that the doofus is mistaken, we already have words like
"error" "wrong" "deluded", etc.

The "significance of making the disctinction" is that you're
trying to legitimize people holding erronious positions.
(And no wonder.)




>> It sure is elementary, it's an elementary redundancy and it's
>> use is a violation of English.
>>
> Perhaps you need to broaden your philosophical studies.  As I have
> said before, this distinction has been around for 60+ years.

No it hasn't.  Name a philosopher who uses "true truth".


> I don't understand how you can be a logician and not have run across
> this terminology before.

I'm not surprised you don't understand something.  But the
answer is:  It's not logical or philosophical terminology.
We have a phrase "absolute truth", which the philosophers
use.  But it's been around a heck of a lot longer than 60
years.


>> (When I ask you to explain something, you just ignore it and
>> try to divert the thread.)
>>
> No.  It's just that sometime I conclude, "What's the point?"

That's a lie.  If that were true, you'd apply the same
principle to the rest of your posts, and they'd dwindle
down to nothing.

Bart

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