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from: `basicallyblues` nnalyd{at}
date: 2005-03-15 12:59:00
subject: Re: Sarah`s Christology Jn 1:1-18

>No not at all. Almighty God does not have a God. period.

>Yes He does.

Maybe your God does (2 Cor. 4:4...okay maybe that was harsh of me) but
the God of the Bible- the "only true God" as *Jesus himself called him*
(John 17:3) YHWH does not have a God.

>There is nothing 'unbiblical' about it. Or is your bible missing Mt
>28:19? Or
>what _did_ you think "Father, Son and Holy SPirit" are if not the
>Trinity?

Why, because the three are mentioned together. So I guess Abraham,
Isaac and Jacob are a trinity too? I'm surprised you cited this verse.
Few trinitarians ever try this one because it obviously does not speak
of a trinity.

In other verses those three are listed..... as follows in The New
Jerusalem Bible. Second Corinthians 13:13 (14) puts the three together
in this way: "The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, the love of God and
the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all." First Corinthians
12:4-6 says: "There are many different gifts, but it is always the
same Spirit; there are many different ways of serving, but it is always
the same Lord. There are many different forms of activity, but in
everybody it is the same God who is at work in them all." And Matthew
28:19 reads: "Go, therefore, make disciples of all nations; baptise
them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy
Spirit."

Do those verses say that God, Christ, and the holy spirit constitute a
Trinitarian Godhead, that the three are equal in substance, power, and
eternity? No, they do not, no more than listing three people, such as
Tom, Dick, and Harry, means that they are three in one.

This type of reference, admits McClintock and Strong's Cyclopedia of
Biblical, Theological, and Ecclesiastical Literature, "proves only
that there are the three subjects named, . . . but it does not prove,
by itself, that all the three belong necessarily to the divine nature,
and possess equal divine honor."

Although a supporter of the Trinity, that source says of 2 Corinthians
13:13 (14): "We could not justly infer that they possessed equal
authority, or the same nature." And of Matthew 28:18-20 it says:
"This text, however, taken by itself, would not prove decisively
either the personality of the three subjects mentioned, or their
equality or divinity."

When Jesus was baptized, God, Jesus, and the holy spirit were also
mentioned in the same context. Jesus "saw descending like a dove
God's spirit coming upon him." (Matthew 3:16) This, however, does
not say that the three are one. Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob are mentioned
together numerous times, but that does not make them one. Peter, James,
and John are named together, but that does not make them one either.
Furthermore, God's spirit descended upon Jesus at his baptism,
showing that Jesus was not anointed by spirit until that time. This
being so, how could he be part of a Trinity where he had always been
one with the holy spirit?

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