Paul, at 23:06 on Mar 18 1996, you wrote to Bill Grimsley ...

BG>> What a shame that the M34F/M34F connects were actually 
BG>> demonstrably worse that either USR/USR or USR/M34F then.  
BG>> So much for the theory that NetComm/NetComm would give the 
BG>> best connects.  :)

PE>> How did you arrive at this conclusion?

BG>> Same way you do, Paul.  I pulled some figures out of a hat.:)

PE> Oh.

BG>> atdt024361785 (Paul's M34F from another M34F)

BG>> Calling FROM my place, incidentally, where we already KNOW 
BG>> that the line quality leaves quite a lot to be desired. 

PE> I'm not sure we even KNOW that.  When you call DD, you get 
PE> good stats, which is evidence that your lines are good after 
PE> all. No matter how good DD's lines are, if YOURS are fucked, 
PE> then they should be reported as bad.  However, I think we 
PE> have safely ascertained that we don't as yet have a tool to 
PE> determine line quality.

BG>> Terminal      : 57600  8 data bits  No Parity
BG>> Line          : 28800  V.34
BG>> Current EQM   : 024

BG>> I've absolutely no idea how Rockwell interpret their Eye-Q 
BG>> Monitor reading, nor even what it means, so all I can do is 
BG>> take notice of the manual when it tells me that values in 
BG>> excess of 10 are very poor (10 "what's", BTW?).  Therefore, 
BG>> a reading of 24 would more than likely be atrocious.

PE> What is important is the following data on the SAME line:

PE> 1. M34F->M34F reported line levels
PE> 2. USR->M34F reported line levels
PE> 3. M34F->USR reported line levels
PE> 4. USR->USR reported line levels.

PE> We have already done 2 + 4 and proved that the USR does not 
PE> measure line quality accurately.

PE> The results of 1 + 3 would tell us whether the M34F is an 
PE> accurate tool for measuring line quality.  I think I am the 
PE> only person who can do that test, by me calling DD with the 
PE> Courier and the M34F online.

PE> I will call DD now, and see what happens...

PE> An EQM of 15.  Ok, now David, was that with the M34F online?  
PE> If so, I'll drag up some old stats of the USR, and we will be
PE>  able to determine whether the M34F is as fucked with it's 
PE> EQM as the Courier is with it's ATY11 stats. 

Nope, I took the M34F off about 18:00 (EST) and replaced it with the Sportster.


# 18 Mar 22:29:32 Connect 28800/Arq/V34/Lapm/V42Bis
* 18 Mar 22:29:36 Ten Minute Limit (3:711/934{at}fidonet)
* 18 Mar 22:29:36 Remote Uses Fido Version 3.06
: 18 Mar 22:29:36 Sysop: Paul Edwards
  18 Mar 22:29:37 Created flagfile D:\Files\Outbound\02c703a6.BSY
: 18 Mar 22:29:37 Session method: ZedZap
+ 18 Mar 22:29:37 Nothing to send to 3:711/934{at}fidonet
  18 Mar 22:29:37 Deleted flagfile D:\Files\Outbound\02c703a6.BSY
* 18 Mar 22:29:37 End of WaZOO/EMSI Session
  18 Mar 22:29:40 Received: 0/0 Sent: 0/0 Total: 0/0 CPS: 0
* 18 Mar 22:29:40 Seconds: 11  Tariff: 0  Fee: 0  System: 3:711/934{at}fidonet
# 18 Mar 22:29:46 Usrobotics Sportster 28800 Fax Link Diagnostics...
# 18 Mar 22:29:46 Modulation               V.34
# 18 Mar 22:29:46 Carrier Freq (Hz)        1829/1829
# 18 Mar 22:29:46 Symbol Rate              3200/3200
# 18 Mar 22:29:47 Trellis Code             64S-4D/16S-4D
# 18 Mar 22:29:47 Nonlinear Encoding       On/On
# 18 Mar 22:29:47 Precoding                Off/On
# 18 Mar 22:29:47 Shaping                  Off/On
# 18 Mar 22:29:47 Preemphasis (-Db)        4/0
# 18 Mar 22:29:47 Recv/Xmit Level (-Db)    21/16
# 18 Mar 22:29:47 Roundtrip Delay (Msec)   17
# 18 Mar 22:29:47 Usrobotics Sportster 28800 Fax Link Diagnostics...
# 18 Mar 22:29:47 Chars Sent        219      Chars Received         193
# 18 Mar 22:29:47 Chars Lost          0
# 18 Mar 22:29:47 Octets Sent       175      Octets Received        181
# 18 Mar 22:29:47 Blocks Sent        30      Blocks Received         29
# 18 Mar 22:29:47 Blocks Resent       0
# 18 Mar 22:29:47 Retrains Requested  0      Retrains Granted         0
# 18 Mar 22:29:47 Line Reversals      0      Blers                    1
# 18 Mar 22:29:47 Link Timeouts       0      Link Naks                0
# 18 Mar 22:29:47 BINK Data Compression       V42Bis 2048/32
# 18 Mar 22:29:47 BINK Equalization           Long
# 18 Mar 22:29:47 BINK Fallback               Enabled
# 18 Mar 22:29:47 BINK Protocol               Lapm
# 18 Mar 22:29:47 BINK Speed                  28800/28800
# 18 Mar 22:29:47 BINK Last Call              00:00:05
# 18 Mar 22:29:47 BINK Disconnect Reason Is Dtr Dropped

David
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