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from: Lsenders{at}hotmail.Com
date: 2005-03-23 00:04:00
subject: Re: Once Saved Always Saved

Bart Goddard wrote:

>
> You can try, but it won't fly.  Do you really want to take the
> stand that something which is false can be true, just because
> the culture agrees with it?  AND YOU ACCUSE ME OF APPEALING TO
> MAJORITY OPINION?  You crack me up.
>
> How many times can you assert "P and not P" and think that
> anyone will swallow it?  (Like I said, no one is fooled.)
>
If you would stop being argumentative long enough to read what was
written, you'd understand the significance of making the distinction
between "truth" and "true truth" in today's world.  How
many people do
you hear saying thing like, "I know it's true.  I saw it on TV"?  Most
people today believe that what they see on TV is more true than what
they see with their own eyes.  Therefore, under such a culture, it is
necessary to distinquish between relative truth or supposed truth from
the true truth.  If you don't understand this, then so be it.
>
> >>
> >> This from a guy who said "true truth".
> >>
> > Such a term should be an elementary thing to one so learned as
> > yourself and who teaches others for profit.
>
> It sure is elementary, it's an elementary redundancy and it's
> use is a violation of English.
>
Perhaps you need to broaden your philosophical studies.  As I have said
before, this distinction has been around for 60+ years.  Once society
cast itself adrift from the absolute truth of the Scriptures, it has
placed itself as the regulator as to what is true and what isn't.  Thus
when one is speaking, it is necessary to draw the distinction between
what is today called "truth" and what is truly true.

I don't understand how you can be a logician and not have run across
this terminology before.
>
> > You confuse logic for reason.  IF you are a teacher of logic,
surely
> > you don't need a newt such as myself to explain it to you!
>
> Logic is the way we reason.  Suggesting that we can reason
> without logic is suggesting an oxymoron (P and not P.)  But
> you're right, I don't need you to explain anything to me.
>
> (When I ask you to explain something, you just ignore it and
> try to divert the thread.)
>
No.  It's just that sometime I conclude, "What's the point?"
>

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